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Is CU really improving?

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by buffsyko, Oct 26, 2014.

  1. buffsyko

    buffsyko Club Member Club Member

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    Clearly on offense yes, defense, no. CU didn't finish vs csu, cal or oregon state. An improved team should have finished today at home vs ucla no? thoughts? Utah seems " improved"
     
  2. Mr. Babar

    Mr. Babar I have no elephant books Club Member

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    Think the D played very well today in the second half. Best of the season. Need more from our DL and LB in terms of talent, but they aren't out of position anymore.


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  3. FlatironsBuff

    FlatironsBuff Club Member Club Member

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    I thought the D played pretty well. Not sure of the points UCLA has put up this season but considering we lost Addison (again) and stayed with them into OT.... not bad at all. We need more tslent in the front 7, yet i thought they did decent all things considered.
     
  4. DBT

    DBT Club Member Club Member

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    Clearly you're wrong. The D has improved as well. Just young and, now, getting injured. But in today's version of football, it's really hard to stop teams. That said, I'm not happy with the defense. But they've improved.
     
  5. Buff fanatic

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    defense allowed 7 points in the second half pf the game (not including OT #2)
     
  7. BuffUp

    BuffUp W.T.T.F. Club Member

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    Yes by leaps and bounds from 2 yrs ago. So, actually faster then we give credit.
     
  8. Bufffan68

    Bufffan68 Club Member Club Member

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    I would say we have improved from last year. And we are a better team than against CSU. However, I am not seeing much improvement during this season. We seem to be making the same mistakes over and over...getting behind early, fighting back, making key mistakes etc.

    I hope we see another quantum leap between this year and next as we did between last year and this year. If that happens, we'll be bowling.
     
  9. SBG

    SBG Formerly known as EFNMB Club Member Junta Member

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    Definitely. We were a lot worse not too long ago. We still play like ass at times. The O can't be seen at times. The defense gives up a lot of points in single quarters. We are a better team now than the one that lost to CSU.

    We still aren't good though. Sefo throws bad interceptions at times and lacks situational awareness. The D can't force turnovers.

    But being in the pac12 teams are going to put up points. I wish we had a great D, but we don't and probably never will again as long as the conference is full of elite QBs given today's game.
     
  10. azbuff

    azbuff Club Member Club Member

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    The defense is definitely better. We have got to put an end to coming out slow, though. 17-0 is a very tough hole to crawl out of even for good teams.
     
  11. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    There is a difference between a bad defense that can make plays and a bad defense that prevents your team from winning most weeks. We are the latter unfortunately. Even yesterday, we gave up 300+ on the ground. Teams are giving up a lot of yardage in today's game, but few teams are giving up that much on the ground (we rank 100th in rushing defense) or in the manner we give those yards up (5.6 a carry). And that's with an offense that controls the clock most weeks. I see major improvement in the pass defense, but that is getting buried by really bad run defense and we still have the top three rushing teams in the conference left to play.The offense looks light years better. Second makes too many mistakes, but hopefully he grows out of it. But we have a young and inexperienced offense that is putting up points and even found a running game the last few weeks. We can and likely will get better here with just a couple more pieces.Even the special teams do not look that bad right now. Not great, but better.
     
  12. lawdogg

    lawdogg Club Member Club Member

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    To the bolded, in many ways we are where Utah was last year. Last year, they lost an overtime game to Oregon State, this year they won an overtime game to them; last year they lost to ucla by a touchdown, this year they won a close game; they lost 19-3 to USC last year, but beat them in a close game this year. Now to their credit, they did break through and win some conference games last year and took care of business in their out of conference slate, but if we can see similar improvement next year (I know, always next year) we could have a pretty significant jump.
     
  13. Buffalo Brad

    Buffalo Brad Club Member Club Member

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    Are we better, is that a real question? Do you watch the games? We are light years better than we were 2-3 years ago and improved versus last year. Are we good, no but that is not what you asked. We are in games, are competing, not getting blown our every week, and have a chance to win. We are not a laughing stock of college football anymore.

    Wins are not happening but damn, I an not wanting to leave the games at half time. Are they where we want them, no. Do we need more wins, yes. Is there room for more improvement, absolutely. Are they improving, definitely.
     
  14. HuskerHater

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    Utah has the best special teams unit in the nation this year. #1 in net punting, 13-15 on fgs with an average of 43 yards per attempt and 4 kick/punt return touchdowns. Going into yesterday's games their special teams unit was worth 8 points per game according to some analytics that ESPN did. I think Utah has a pretty average offense and a decent defense but I think special teams has really got them over the hump this year.
     
  15. BuffHerd

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    We are improved, but still a great distance to go. I think most all of us on this board will agree to that.

    We are still playing from a deficit in terms of talent. We are closing the gap in terms of game management/calls/execution. We are giving up fewer big plays, yet we still find ways to give them up every game.

    We show flashes of explosive offense and gritty defense, but all too infrequently. Our special teams are improved beyond compare vs Embree days.

    Our worst shortcoming in my opinion is not being able to play all three phases in one game.... consistency lacks.... but yes, we are improving.
     
  16. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    post would hhave been more timely last week but a fair question.
     
  17. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    Bigger loss was Tedric, second time this year we have lost him, second time this year we've lost in double OT
     
  18. MtnBuff

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    We are enough better that now we can care.

    We are enough better than now we can be mad when we lose a game that we thought we had a chance to win coming down the stretch.

    We are enough better that the games aren't over at halftime.

    We are enough better that team have to try to beat us, and even then sometimes we end up beating ourselves.

    We are enough better that we can argue that if a coach or player had done something different it would have impacted the outcome of the game.

    We are enough better that we can talk about next year and not just be hoping for the enough betters listed above.

    Still sucks to only win two games and not have a win in our conference but yes we are getting better, way better.
     
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  19. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Yes. CU is really improving.
     
  20. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    Yes, we're been very competitive in conference games as compared to getting blown out in recent years. Furthermore, this team continues to fight and play hard even when getting down big early.
     
  21. zbuff

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    The question isn't whether we're improving, but the rate and sustainability. D and ST need better coaching, recruiting has to improve, as discussed ad nauseam elsewhere.
     
  22. aik

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    The point differential in our losses cannot simply be attributed to our offense improving. The defense, though I'll argue will never be stellar with Baer at the helm, has more seasoned players and is improving even when out-athleted by their competition. The what-if game will continue as I speculate that Gillam, Thompson, and Bell will be fully healed next year to lead us to further improvement, but the potential is there. Little things like penalties (on Crawley in past games and one I can think of on Coleman yesterday) can be cleaned up with older, smarter players. It should get better, but we definitely need to get more playmakers in there.

    It was understood going into this season that several Pac-12 teams could take a step back from previous years of dominant play and we could take a step forward and still not be able to beat them. That hope underestimates just how wide the gap has been between us and them. We will improve if the players and potential recruits see this rather than a disparity in the wrong direction between our wins of last year and those from this year. The holes from top to bottom on the roster from spring 2013 practices are not as bad as they once were. We're getting ourselves away from the bottom and I honestly believe we've already reached it.

    By god, I hope we have.
     
  23. pcbuff

    pcbuff Well-Known Member

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    last year Utah had an injured QB. This year he is healthy and they brought in a fifth year senior four star from oklahoma to push him. They also brought in a JC running back that beat out last years starter. They did a great job filling holes and adding depth through strategic recruiting. CU had more holes to fill. CU's recruiting is not at a PAC level. I hope they win a couple to give their recruiting a boost!
     

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