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Jordan Wynn...

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Timbuff10, Dec 23, 2009.

  1. Timbuff10

    Timbuff10 Member

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    Good job Hawk.

    SAN DIEGO (AP)
    Jordan Wynn threw for a career-high 338 yards and three touchdowns to rally No. 23 Utah from an early two-touchdown deficit to a 37-27 victory over California in the Poinsettia Bowl on Wednesday night.

    I just don't understand why we can't get a top flight QB to come to CU and actually be "the guy".
     
  2. Sexton Hardcastle

    Sexton Hardcastle Club Member Club Member

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    Q: What do priests and Christmas trees have in common?







    A: Their balls are just for decoration.
     
  3. Timbuff10

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    Good one...

    Here is another.

    Q: What do Dan Hawkins and Jordan Wynn have in common?







    A: They each won 3 games this year but Wynn did it by playing in 5 of them, it took Hawkins 12.
     
  4. Timbuff10

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    Here, I will do it for you Valdez: :rolleyes:
     
  5. IDBUFF

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    The Mtn West conf is cleaning up
     
  6. White_Rabbit

    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    I had a feeling he'd be a good player, he doesn't have the biggest arm ever, but he knows where to put the ball. He also saw a chance to start as a true freshman at Utah and took the chance, not sure this is really on Hawk. That being said I have similar hopes for Hirschman and I think Nick has a better arm, so hopefully he turns into a good QB.
     
  7. Hank

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    So you are saying that it's not on Hawk that a recruit had the impression that he had no chance of starting over the worst QB in the Big 12?

    IMO, anything that has remotely anything to do with the QB position falls squarely on Hawk.
     
  8. OUBuff

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    Quit bitching... we got CLARK EVANS in that cycle :smile2: :thumbsup:


    But I thought the same thing last night. Made me think, and probably needs its own thread...

    Who is the best de-commit we lost over the last four years and who is the best player we got that de-committed from another team over the same time?

    Perhaps it is Jordan Wynn and Nick Kasa... I know both were last year, but I honestly don't remember such things w/ enough detail... you recruitniks will probably be able to jump all over this.
     
  9. CUwhit21

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    Tyler Hansen would be pretty good if he was placed on a Sugar Bowl championship team. Jordan Wynn was not a blue chip recruit. He was an under the radar type with 3 BCS offers (Iowa St, ASU, CU). We gave him an offer, but couldn't keep him committed. Oh well, that happens. Looks like he made the right move.

    One thing to point out:

    Jordan Wynn senior stats:

    3,336 yards passing, 32 TDs, 11 INTs, 64% completion - 13 games

    Nick Hirschman senior stats:

    2,887 yards passing, 34 TDs, 3 INTs, 68% completion - 12 games

    Like Jordan, Nick is enrolling into school a semester early. And I believe both were recommended to Hawkins by Bob Johnson.
     
  10. buffwings

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    yep, just add this one to the plethora of fookups Hackins has committed while at CU. Certifiable moron, that's a great kissass. Smug asshole bastard!!


    Merry Christmas everyone, be safe, we need you all alive next year, rooting for the Buffs. Perhaps next year Santa Claus will actually get us a real coach for Christmas. :smile2:
     
  11. AlferdJasper

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    Colorado has a tradition of redshirting QBs -- and Wynn knew he'd have to beat out Cody, who had the experience and support of the coaches, and Tyler, who had shown some promise as a freshman when his shirt came off briefly. Wynn made a good decision where he would fit in.
    Wish it had been CU, but there was little chance of him seeing the field, so good for his powers of observation.

    Please hope that Mister Jones evaluates his situation with as much maturity and insight.
     
  12. stampy

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    No doubt, with two dominant wins over PAC 10 teams. ESPN said that Utah's bowl win streak is 9 and is the longest in the nation.

    I beginning to think they deserve an automatic BCS bid, they just need to add a couple more teams, Boise St and maybe SMU if Jones can keep things rolling there.
     
  13. MtnBuff

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    Their top 3 are certainly among the top 5 of all the mid-major teams (allow Boise and maybe a team from C-USA or Navy.) The next three on a yearly basis are decent mid-majors and yearly the bottom three are pathetic. The top three stay steady the bottom six float up and down with Air Force usually number 4 and the rest floating up and down. To highlight the separation in the conference the top three are 36-0 against the rest of the conference in the past three years.

    From a standpoint of them being similar and close in quality to the Big East and the ACC which are AQs they deserve an autobid. They have consistently been the best conference without an AQ and arguably have been better than the two that I mentioned over the past 5 years or so.

    I also think that their bowl record is inflated by two factors. One is that in most of the bowls they have played in they have been playing teams that are significantly lower in their conferences that the MWC team is (Utah #3MWC vs. Cal. #6PAC10, BYU #2MWC vs. OSU #3PAC10.) The other is that they are playing for the conference pride and hope of the AQ. As a result they tend to play up, last night and the BYU game both being examples. The MWC people don't like to admit it but clearly both PAC 10 schools had set their sights on higher targets and didn't appear highly interested in being their. Last year when Utah won they played a team that had a goal of NC or bust, they busted in the SEC championship and played like they didn't care. They also had 1 starter on the O-line in his normal position and other starters out for various reasons. It was a great win for Utah certainly not representative of the comparative quality of the teams since one was giving it all to win and the other was there to get it over with.
     
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  14. Duff Man

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    Exactly. The whole QB situation has been mismanaged from the start of the Hawkins era until now. We should have been able to sell at least one blue chip QB on the chance to start right away, but obviously that has not been the case.

    BTW, anyone thinking Cody has no shot to get the starting job back has a good chance of being disappointed IMO.
     
  15. AlferdJasper

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    And FWIW, bets are Goodman is also starting in 2010.

    There's a parallel here.
     
  16. stampy

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    I don't think these arguments are particularly fair. The MWC can't help their crappy bowl tie-ins. However, they are playing for the same stakes as everyone else in the regular season, and they played the BCS teams tough then as well, and almost always on the road. Utah almost beat Oregon in Eugene. BYU beat OU in Norman. TCU won at Clemson. In fact, those three teams play more ambitious OOC schedules than just about every team in the B12, and they take toughies on the road.
     
  17. White_Rabbit

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    I meant Utah's starter was graduating and they didn't have a backup with any sort of experience. Going to Utah he was on a pretty even playing field with the rest of the unproven QBs.

    As for Hawk handling the QB situation, I won't disagree with you because I agree with you, but Wynn wanted a real chance to start early and he didn't see that here. Like it or not, Cody had 2 years under his belt, with Tyler even getting some playing time. It's hard to argue with the kids decision anyway, he is the starter now after all while he'd be waiting at least 2 more years to get a chance to play here. Now if you want to throw another one at Hawk, go for it I won't stop you.
     
  18. Junction

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    Exactly. What Wynn was looking at was not just Cody, but also the fact that Tyler was in the mix, was looking like the next starting QB (or even the starter already, as far as Wynn could tell at the time). And Tyler, at the time, had 3 years left to play. Utah really had virtually nobody in his path. To say that his decision was all about some desire to not deal with preferential treatment of Cody is more about grinding an axe than about the reality of the situation...
     
  19. MtnBuff

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    I am not blaming the MWC for their bowl schedule, obviously they want the best posible match-ups they can get to promote the conference. The OOC record just illustrates again my point. In a one game match-up the best MWC teams have a chance against anyone in the country, especially since these games mean a lot more for them than they do for the bigger name opponents. Do you think that OU spent their entire off-season looking forward to playing BYU? Of course not, OU thinks about Texas (didn't help the last few years,) OSU, and their expectations of playing for a MNC. Same thing with Oregon and Utah, Clemson and TCU.

    You have to give the MWC teams respect for playing up to their competition and trying to establish respect. Look at what Wyoming did for almost three quarters against Texas. This doesn't mean that they are as good as the teams from the better BCS conferences and certainly doesn't mean that they would last in a full conference schedule against them. I have no question that on a one game basis the big three from the MWC would have a decent shot at beating virtually any team from the Big XII or even the SEC. At he same time give them a full conference schedule against those conferences or even the Big X or PAC 10 and I have no doubt that they would have at least three losses each in conference.

    It is not a question of one game, it is about the depth and the ability to come back week after week against physically stronger, deeper teams. It is a huge advantage to have New Mexico, SDSU, UNLV, CSU on your schedule. When the talent gap is that wide and you have played these teams every year and know what you have to do to beat them they become almost a bye week. That doesn't happen in the better conferences, even the bad teams can beat you up, even while losing.

    Give them credit for being well coached, talented, fun to watch teams. Just don't think that 12-0 against the MWC is that same as 12-0 or even 10-2 against a better conference schedule.
     
  20. stampy

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    The power rankings of the teams you listed are as follows; New Mexico St 106, CSU 100, UNLV 74, SDSU 89. Conversely, the power rankings of the four lowest B12 teams are CU 80, KU 78, BU 71, and ISU 69. Therefore, playing in the B12N is almost as great an advantage as playing in the MWC (I only half believe my argument here, but I do feel winning the MWC is a much greater accomplishment than winning the B12 north).

    The MWC is lacking a little depth, I can't disagree with that point. I wonder if there really are serious discussions with other schools right now as rumored.
     
  21. MtnBuff

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    The problem for the MWC is and for the foreseeable future is that same as they have faced all along, money. If you consider that even San Diego ignores SDSU and the MWC their entire footprint of primary market coverage is less than that of USC/UCLA. Outside of BYU which seats and consistently sells 65k tickets the highest average attendance in the MWC is in the low 40k's and some schools like Wyoming, CSU, UNLV are more often in the low 20k's even with substantially lower ticket prices than even the bad schools in the higher profile conferences. An AQ is not going to fix this problem.

    The MWC consistently brings in poor TV ratings, even in their footprint (except for in Utah) and their ratings are abismal outside of their footprint, nobody cares, nobody watches. Their bowl game ratings, despite putting on very fun games, are consistenly among the lowest of all the bowls. Even last years Sugar Bowl was the lowest rated BCS game not only of the year but in at least five years.

    This is the reason that ESPN offered them such a poor contract that they had to leave it for their current CBSCS, Vs., Mtn package that generates much less money for the conference than some SEC teams will get under their new contract.

    On the field this translates as well. Win big in the MWC as a coach and is your reward a long-term big money deal? Maybe, but it will be with a team outside the conference like Urban Meyer got and Patterson will soon get. As to players the MWC has some great ones but rarely were they expected to be. The top players in HS who have their choice of were to go rarely pick the MWC. They go to conferences that are on ABC/ESPN and are shown on SportsCenter. Even TCU admits that they play with the scraps left by Texas, OU, aTm, OSU, and all the top conference teams that recruit Texas. Mizzou normally gets more highly rated players out of Texas than TCU does even though TCU takes bigger numbers.

    This is not to put down the MWC, but quite frankly put their top schools in the Big XII North and they would compete but I would not give them any titles. Again play bigger stronger teams every week and your game changes. Iowa State is bigger and stronger than most if not all MWC teams, maybe not as skilled as TCU, BYU, Utah but bigger and stronger as are the rest of the Big XII teams.

    I know it is fun to cheer for David because sometimes he wins and it makes a great story but in football the smart money over the long term is on Goliath.
     
  22. Timbuff10

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    See, I thought Dan Hawkins would have done a better job after taking over a team that just went to the Big12 Championship Game the previous year, but apparently that team was burned to the ground and not even God could have done better than 2-10 the next year.
     
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    Anyway...

    Gratz to Jordan. I'm glad his decision is working out for him and he is finding success.
     
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    what about Landry Jones, I know he didn't commit, but CU was in his final two.
     
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    Cool thing about Wynn was that he lead his high school, Oceanside, to a Div. 1 California state Championship. And Oceanside won another state championship last week as well.
     
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    Didn't Hirschman's team also win their championship?
     
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    found it:
    LOS GATOS WINS TITLE GAME!

    in overtime....

    Hirschman threw a strike to Hackman-Salazar over the middle going right to left _ about 15 yards downfield Hackman-Salazar pitched to Andrew Berg who burst to the right sideline for the remaining 55 yards of a 70-yard touchdown getting a key block from Sam Bowers. Heimer’s extra point tied the game.
    “We’ve been practicing that play every day waiting for that exact type of situation,” said Hirschman who was 14 of 25 for 192 yards. “For it to work like that with two minutes left _ that was unreal.”


    Stats for Nick:
    Los Gatos: Hirschman 14 of 25 for 192 yards with one touchdown and one interception
     
  28. ScottyBuff

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    Not disagreeing with the gist of your post, but that statement is 100% false.

    The Sugar Bowl last year was far from the lowest rated bowl game. It brought a 7.8 rating, while the Orange Bowl (VaTech-Cincy) did a 5.4 rating (which was the worst in BCS bowl history).

    The current Big East teams have consistently the worst TV ratings in BCS bowl games. With a 5.4, 7.7, 6.98, 9.0, 7.4 in the last 5 years (7.3 average). The MWC averages a 7.6, the WAC a 7.7, with both conferences only having 2 appearances.
     
  29. JimmyBuff

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    I believe he has no shot. Hansen is the starter unless he's got an injury.
     
  30. Hugegroove

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    I also believe the only time we MIGHT see Cody is due to injury or mop up duty. Assuming that is, Hawkins has learned his lesson that by starting his son for any other reasons would create more problems than it would solve.:smile2:
     

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