Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by boydbuff, Jun 7, 2013.
This is a teachable moment for him and I believe MM will believe the same.
Decision for M2. It's his job, not ours.
Of course it's his job, as is recruiting, personnel and coaching decisions and everything else we all like to sound off on.
Personal opinion is that this "scandal" is a bit over the top. Yuri was pretty brutal in numerous tweets and we still brought him on. This was one tweet, he apologized afterwards and he is very young and bound to make mistakes as we all did at his age. But, he is entering a world where there is a lot of sensitivity regarding religious, ethnic, sexual preferences, etc. is high and he must learn to filter his thoughts and language, especially as a rep of a BCS football program. He is not just any student. Teach him a lesson, but play on.
Not my decision to make. Based on what little info I have, though, I wouldn't pull his scholly over something like this.
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Good lord, people freak out too much. ****** thing to say, but he's a kid. a kid.
I have to wonder how much different the discussion would be if he were a 4* kid who we had turned from Nebraska or Washington. Not saying this applies to everyone but it is amazing how the perception of the problem changes with the percieved value of the player.
The media attention would be bigger as well though.
Way too much being made of this whole thing.
******. (testing if n-word is filtered - out of curiosity)
EDIT: yep. good.
CU is already accused as being racist by Embree and CrazyMac.
Recruiting won't get easier if we do not come down strong here.
I thought they backed off those comments, holic. No? Anyway, that was even more ridiculous than the overreaction to this incident. Do you really think the backlash is big over a kid who may not even be on campus yet?
IMO, the line is drawn when it's directed at someone, especially with a seeming slavery reference. I'm not saying Sam's a bad person, but finding a new place to play would be an appropriate punishment. I know there's the argument that players on our roster have made mistakes, but they all paid a price. Prich got kicked out of UCLA, Yuri lost a scholarship offer from Michigan and was called out in the national media, and Vincent gave up two years of eligibility and a scholarship.
I'm from the south, grew up there and spent most of my life there. I've heard the word plenty of times coming from a white dude's mouth. That doesn't make it acceptable. Our hands are kind of tied with him not being enrolled already, another reason why I think it's best if we parted ways at this point.
Of course, Kronshage committed to Embree, with Bieniemy as OC. Which might indicate that maybe he doesn't actually hate all black people.....
You guys don't take your football seriously.
Maybe we should be Chris Rock about this.
Well then, what do the bruthas do in such circumstance?
And you know what...welcome to the real world. The world is messy and unfair and people aren't treated the same, better for him to learn that lesson now. A person's talent and value to a team, company, organization, whatever matters in how they are treated and how much s**t they can get away with.
Kid should not have said what he said, but not something that he needs to lose the ship over.
I wish these poll options were simply "yes" or "no". I think he should go, but not because I think it "shows he is a bad apple". He may be a good person, but he said something stupid and offensive and there should be a consequence.
I must have repped Mtn Buff recently, because I can't. Very good post, though.
I'd let him stay. But he'd have to address the team.
Maybe we should just make him read these ridiculous threads. That would be punishment enough I am sure.
Seriously, what consequences have you paid for every stupid and offensive comment you've made throughout your life? When did any of us pay $100K+ for a stupid and offensive comment? Can we enter the realm of reality here?
I miss the days of "sticks and stones." I think we used to be stronger than we are now. In general, we become way too offended way too easily.
Stop with the $100k crap - no one is asking him to write a check, but that scholarship is a privilege so let's not make it sound like yanking a scholarship is ruining his life.
And who's not living in reality - if I was caught using that word on twitter my ass would be fired in half a heartbeat so I don't have a ton of sympathy if his free ride to a school that most students pay an arm and a leg to attend gets taken away.
Not crap as you say... it is the cost for his transgression that YOU want him to pay over one word. Losing an arm and a leg (cost of CU education) as you say, would be life altering I think.
I don't condone his remark, just saying that the uproar around a twitter comment is way overboard. I don't think that a twitter comment should characterize this young man as an evil racist. Many of us make stupid and offensive comments that you regret immediately, but they usually aren't on some silly social networking medium.
Twitter, it is a cancer that has an uncanny ability to show the worst in people. Don't assume the worst in the kid over one ill advised comment in a trash talking session.
This is absolutely not to say that comments and actions that are racist in nature are acceptable and that this incedent should get a pass but yes we become offended way too easily. It seems like there is a big group of people out there just looking to jump on every opportunity to act like victims and to slam those they percieve as not treating them as something special.
These same groups tend to think they have every right to be critical of others thoughts and beliefs but the slightest thing against them and they scream like little school girls (uh oh, now I'm going to have the defenders of little girls all over my case) until they get some attention and satisfaction.
Don't get me wrong about accepting discriminatory behavior. Over the years I have had to deal with the process of having students suspended from school because they used terms for Blacks, Hispanics, and Jewish people in a pejoritive or inflamatory manner. I had one student who we took all the way to expulsion for innapropriate comments and touching of girls.
It is easy to get all wired up about certain words and even actions and just as easy to say throw the book at the offenders but when you start asking the tough questions then it gets a lot harder. Questions like what was the context? What response is appropriate and in line with the offense? Will the response change the behaviors and attitudes of the offender and/or others in the future.
There is a big difference between punishment and discipline. Punishment is something to make someone suffer for actions that have already occurred, discipline is something that is intended to change future behaviors for the better. Punishment is certainly appropriate in certain situations. When a person takes anothers life or violates a persons most private places, when a person damages anothers sense of safety and security then punishment makes sense if for no other reason than as a deterent.
In a case like this one I have to question the value of extracting revenge on someone who is young and while certainly wrong in his actions likely didn't do any lasting damage to anyone. This is a situation for appropriate discipline, not over the top punishment. I fail to see how this incident justifies changing a kids entire future.
Now if M2 determines that there is a basic character flaw in the kid that makes change unlikely or if he continues to exhibit the same kind of poor judgement in a manner that is offensive to others then certainly the consequences get bigger but the idea of giving a high school kid a life changing consequence for acting like many high schools kids act doesn't make a lot of sense.
Sometimes things are only a big deal because we choose to make them a big deal, this strikes me as that. Wrong yes, deserving of some kind of response yes, but hammer the kid, no. But I guess that those who are calling for him to get beat up over this have never, and I mean never, said or done something that could be or was offensive to somebody else.
I also think the AB jury has spoken on this given that nearly 90% of ABers are opposed to rescinding his scholly.
Sometimes a lost scholarship is the cost for someone's transgression, he's not getting a bill in the mail and no one is preventing him from seeking a scholarship elsewhere. The average student at CU who has some form of scholarship can lose it for letting his grades slip which is far less offensive than what Sam did.
You may think the world has become too PC, but I think giving him a slap on the wrist and explaining it away by blaming his environment or the evils of social media just excuses the behavior. He wrote "you're a n****r" and put it on the internet - what benefit does CU get out of keeping him?
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