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Official Diamond Head Classic Thread

Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by Buffnik, Dec 16, 2014.

  1. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Game 1: Ohio vs GWU (Mon, 12/22, 12:30pm MT, ESPNU)
    Game 2: Colorado vs DePaul (Mon, 12/22, 2:30pm MT, ESPNU)
    Game 3: Loyola Marymount vs Wichita St (Mon, 12/22, 9:00pm MT, ESPNU)
    Game 4: Nebraska vs Hawai'i (Mon, 12/22, 11:00pm MT, ESPNU)

    Game 5: Game 1 loser vs Game 2 loser (Tue, 12/23, 12:30pm MT, ESPNU)
    Game 6: Game 1 winner vs Game 2 winner (Tue, 12/23, 2:30pm MT, ESPNU)
    Game 7: Game 3 winner vs Game 4 winner (Tue, 12/23, 7:00pm MT, ESPNU)
    Game 8: Game 3 loser vs Game 4 loser (Tue, 12/23, 9:30pm MT, ESPNU)

    Game 9: Game 5 loser vs Game 8 loser (Thur, 12/25, 11:30am or 2:00pm MT, ESPNU or ESPN3)
    Game 10: Game 5 winner vs Game 8 winner (Thur, 12/25, 11:30am or 2:00pm MT, ESPNU or ESPN3)
    Game 11: Game 6 loser vs Game 7 loser (Thur, 12/25, 4:30pm MT, ESPN2)
    Game 12: Game 6 winner vs Game 7 winner (Thur, 12/25, 6:30pm MT, ESPN2)

    It's make or break for the Buffs. Need at least to go 2-1, including a 1st round win over DePaul. Otherwise, CU is going to need to do something very unlikely in the Pac-12 to make the Dance.
     
  2. RumblinBuff

    RumblinBuff That one blogging guy Club Member

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    Sounds like fun, I think I'll attend
     
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  3. hokiehead

    hokiehead Gobbler on the Mountain Club Member

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    9 days. long time, no hoops. I think this is the time of year I'm supposed to pay attention to my family.
     
  4. wyobuff

    wyobuff Well-Known Member

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    I almost had my wife convinced we should go to hawaii this christmas. Then she found out there was basketball there.....
     
  5. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Nik is jonesing for some CU basketball, I see.
     
  6. CVilleBuff

    CVilleBuff Club Member Club Member

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    Knowing our luck, even if we take care of our job the opposition would then **** up. We don't just need wins. We need a damn quality win or two.
     
  7. BuffG

    BuffG Well-Known Member

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    J Scott: Effective field goal %= 56.5 | Ortg= 148.8 | Field goals attempted= 77
    XJ: eFG%= 57.2 | Ortg= 115.4 | Field Goals attempted= 69
    Gordon: eFG%= 64.6 | Ortg= 133 | Field Goals attempted= 41
    Ski: eFG%= 45.6 | Ortg= 104.6 | Field Goals attempted= 113

    It's real simple. As long as the coaching staff allows our 4th best offensive player to hog shots & not facilitate the offense then this team is going nowhere fast. Scott, XJ, & Gordon must assert themselves more consistently, no question, however they're not the guard running the offense. They can't pass the ball to themselves.
     
  8. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    I would LOVE to see Gordon get more aggressive. He defers to Scott way too much in the post.
     
  9. Buffaloup

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    If you think Gordon is the Buffs' 3rd best player you are a fool
     
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  10. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Not bad, actually. I'm happy with Ski's #s considering he's the only guard who has played that's consistently helped the team. He's taken on a huge load this season, and is still being decently efficient - even though he's no where close to Scott's stratosphere.
     
  11. FightCu1414

    FightCu1414 Fifth year Senior Club Member

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    Ruckus Peep my words. Club Member

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    If you don't include him in that discussion, you're a fool. I'd agree he isn't top 3, but arguments can be made.
     
  13. BuffG

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    It's always the people who fail at reading comprehension who resort to elementary name calling.

    I listed Gordon as 1 one of our top 3 *offensive* players. His offensive rating currently stands at 133, which is only behind Scott.

    That said, Gordon is tied for 2nd in win shares and is 2nd in defensive rating. If I wanted to make an argument that Gordon was 1 of our 3 best players then all of the advanced stats, along with Spencer Dinwiddie, would be on my side. But frankly, the whole team is abysmal right now & I'm not interested in praising anyone.

    Only interested in talking about what needs to happen to see improvement.
     
  14. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    This.

    And I would say he's in our top 3 in terms of defensive players and in terms of rebounders. Offense is where I can't put him in the mix because he doesn't carry much of the load and hasn't dealt with teams game planning to stop him like Josh, XJ and Ski do. But the potential is there based on his efficiency numbers and the fact that we haven't seen him asked to do anything that he has subsequently failed at (whether it's outside shooting, posting up or passing).
     
  15. wyobuff

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    Everyone knew at the beginning of the year our frontcourt was loaded. you putting out stats proving that isnt all that helpful. we need guards that can CONSISTENTLY get them the rock, or drive/dish to open something up. We havent gotten that (yet) though there has been flashes. It's not ski's style, but he's doing his best to do that (and I think he's doing it much better than last year) because no one else has stepped up yet. Jhop has done it a few times, and the minutes that dom has given us have been good, and xt has shown flashes as well. but...we dont have a guard that we can trust to do this yet.

    Also, ski's numbers are skewed because when he's the only one willing to shoot (and make/miss, like v csu) he's got to take those shots.

    Gordon's a good player, and like many others, I wish that guy would just take every single pass he gets in the low block and slam it down someone's throat. Unfortunately he's not there yet, but he will be. the guy is going to be good, and when scott leaves, I'm sure he'll stand in there and it will be like jelly never left.
     
  16. BuffG

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    This was, essentially, the point of my original post.

    Ski has been taking a lot of shots before even initiating the offense. That's not the same as taking shots bc others aren't willing to although that's also happening.
     
  17. PAHIBuff

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    To return to the title of this thread, it's possible that the Buffs beat DePaul, but it's not highly likely.
     
  18. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Strongly disagree. In fact, I'd say it's possible that DePaul beats the Buffs, but it's not highly likely.

    DePaul is bipolar. They have one good win (Stanford, at home). The rest of their wins are over the dregs of college basketball. Using KenPom rankings, their best win other than Furd is Milwaukee - and they're ranked 218. They're 1-3 against top 200 teams - win against Furd and losses to Lehigh and Illinois St (at home) and George Washington (away). Their defense is horrible. They can shoot lights out, but turn the ball over a lot and play fast. If we don't beat DePaul I will be sounding the alarm of concern.
     
  19. jgisland

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    CU will be favored in Vegas over DePaul and is favored by every computer analytics system. The spread will be around 6-8, with that spread CU should win about 75% of the time.
     
  20. Buffaloup

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    DePaul is a decent squad. They handled Stanford easily at home, don't know what that says about Stanford but never the less, we need to bring it
     
  21. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    #Numbers
     
  22. wyobuff

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    Stanford is a good team, but they always turn in a few performances where you're like....wtf is going on here. I suspect this was one of them.
     
  23. InTheBuff

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    on the flipside they lost at home to Lehigh..
     
  24. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Yep. Dangerous opponent that the Buffs could beat by 20 or could pull off an upset that would cause a complete meltdown among CU fans.
     
  25. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Unpossible. CU fans are rocks of stability and sanity.
     
  26. ShockerHoops

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    I'm hoping we meet in the championship. I hope you guys end up 2-1 with a loss to us that won't negatively effect your efforts to get in the dance this year.

    My predictions:

    WSU over LMU
    Colorado over Depaul
    Nebraska over Hawai'i
    George Wash over Ohio

    WSU over Nebraska
    Colorado over George Wash

    WSU over Colorado

    But the thing about these neutral site tournaments that involve a lot of travel to exotic places... players can get sidetracked away from basketball. Jet lag plays a role, altitude can play a role. I wouldn't be surprised to see something like Nebraska losing to the rainbows just because of those issues stated. But it could happen to anyone of the teams. That's why I always get a little skeptical on point spreads with these things, no one really knows what the travel effects will have. Some teams just don't travel well. Young teams sometimes don't know how to handle it. We'll see how it goes, it should be fun.

    Good luck Buff friends, I'll be cheering you guys on every game except if we meet.
     
  27. CVilleBuff

    CVilleBuff Club Member Club Member

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    The sensible selections, but as you mention these tournaments can be crazy and I can't shake the feeling an upset happens somewhere along the line. Hawaii is dangerous on the islands for sure -- already beat Pitt this year. Nebraska has been shaky (see: loss to Incarnate Word) and of course we (CU) haven't exactly been playing great ball, but DePaul is pretty damn bad. Ohio could also be dangerous for GW. You guys got a weakling in Loyola Marymount, that's the one true lock.
     
  28. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    shocker went by the chalk. Sensible, but I doubt we go through a tournament without seeing a single upset.
     
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    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Fine, we're beating WSU in the finals. Upset city, baby!
     
  30. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Nebraska's losing to Hawaii.
     

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