1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

P-10 & larry scott has their eye on the buffs

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Hugegroove, Apr 29, 2010.

  1. Hugegroove

    Hugegroove Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    2,726
    Likes Received:
    121
  2. superdeluxe

    superdeluxe New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2009
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    3
    Very good points in the article. Nice research and interviews. Some new info about how the faculty with Colorado works on more projects with Pac-10 schools compared to big 12 schools, that is something I had not heard before.
     
  3. dio

    dio Admin Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2007
    Messages:
    30,122
    Likes Received:
    2,550
    Oh Jon Henderson, just when I thought you were done writing about the Buffs

    Other than that, a good article from that hack
     
  4. ScottyBuff

    ScottyBuff Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2008
    Messages:
    2,619
    Likes Received:
    91
    No question that there is mutual interest from CU and the Pac-10; we just need to know that there is another school in the same situation (not named Texas).
     
  5. PhillyBuff

    PhillyBuff Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    7,004
    Likes Received:
    313
    I am struggling to understand the quote from Chip Kelley: "Colorado is one of the haves" ok... what is it exactly we have footballwise?
     
  6. Hugegroove

    Hugegroove Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    2,726
    Likes Received:
    121

    :lol::lol::lol:
     
  7. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2005
    Messages:
    24,987
    Likes Received:
    2,704
    We got the funk, in the trunk. We are so close...., apparently we got matches, 'cuz this was place was burned down, down to the ground, we got a bubble, we got a Boyle, we got Juicebox, we got da Flatirons, we got Ralphie and a burning desire to be "in the top half of the Big 12". What more do you need?
     
  8. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2008
    Messages:
    56,956
    Likes Received:
    4,962
    I like the idea about having the championship game hosted by the higher ranked team. That is how it should be. No more half empty stadiums. **** that ****.
     
  9. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2009
    Messages:
    80,722
    Likes Received:
    16,417
    One of the best on-campus game environments in the nation, one of the top 25 programs of all time (wins & prestige), one of the few programs that have both a national championship and a Heisman winner, etc., etc. Think about this: we're coming off a decade that we consider awful. But we won the Big 12 North 4/10 years, won 1 Big 12 Championship, were within a couple hundredths of BCS points of playing in a national championship game, had 9 1st team All Americans, and in 2009 we still had 25 CU guys playing in the NFL.

    Sometimes, I think we sell ourselves short. It's like Buff Nation is in a state of depression and has trouble seeing what others see. We are one of the "haves" of college football. Just like the University of Washington (a very similar program, university and media market) had several down years, it didn't change the fact that they're one of the big boys in college football. Let's not forget that CU is also in that number. Better days are ahead.

    Edit: Just like the football team talked about getting their "swag" back and started acting like that this spring, we as a fan base need to get our swag back too. Screw it. I'm there. I'm going to be a cocky fan this year and from now on. And I'm not taking any more crap from fans of other teams.
     
    AlferdJasper and buff4bcs1985 like this.
  10. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2009
    Messages:
    80,722
    Likes Received:
    16,417
    Agree. Though I'd say higher ranked unless the lower ranked team won the head-to-head matchup earlier that season.
     
  11. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2008
    Messages:
    56,956
    Likes Received:
    4,962
    I like that idea. nik for Pac12 commish!
     
  12. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2005
    Messages:
    24,987
    Likes Received:
    2,704
    Nice. I like your thinking here....I'm bummed because I don't see things getting better in the short term, but I like the way you paint the long term picture.
     
  13. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    22,866
    Likes Received:
    2,688
    even if he is BSing, i seriously feel like hugging mike riley for at least SAYING that we are still in the bigs.
     
  14. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2006
    Messages:
    18,651
    Likes Received:
    523
    If they're going to have one of the participants in the championship game host it, then the criteria for hosting it should be, in this order:

    1. Better conference record
    2. If tied in conference record, then whoever won head-to-head match-up if they played
    3. Higher ranked team
     
  15. chipwich

    chipwich Administrator Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    20,691
    Likes Received:
    1,661
    :yeahthat:
     
  16. Sportsfan101

    Sportsfan101 Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2009
    Messages:
    536
    Likes Received:
    38
    Uhhh, hate to be a downer here, but Larry Scott says nothing about CU in the entire article. It seems to me that this article doesn't tell us anything new, right? Well, I guess Chip Kelley likes CU, but that's about it. I'm still being cautious with respect to the Pac 10. My concern is that it's been so anti-change for so long that it will stand pat and not do anything...
     
  17. OKCBuff

    OKCBuff Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2009
    Messages:
    1,547
    Likes Received:
    48
    Well, that story makes it seem like a like CU will be invited, and will accept.

    Obviously the Pac-10's close relationship to the Big Ten allows them some "eyes only" info and it is helping the Pac make their moves as well. Those two leagues do EVERYTHING together.
     
  18. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2009
    Messages:
    80,722
    Likes Received:
    16,417
    Ordinarily, I'd agree with you about the Pac... except for one thing that makes this situation completely different. You don't hire away an expensive new management team with a history of lucratively managing expansions, sponsorships and television contracts if you are going to stand pat.
     
  19. Hugegroove

    Hugegroove Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    2,726
    Likes Received:
    121
    My guess here is that they have the same expectations the rest of us do in regards to the Buffs returning to being a team of the "haves" Of course, I doubt that will happen as long as Talkins is still here.
     
  20. buff4bcs1985

    buff4bcs1985 Hail to the King

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2008
    Messages:
    26,029
    Likes Received:
    2,138


    THIS NIK YOU PUMPED THIS CRAZY ****ER UP

    [video=youtube;Y4oQ7tGlEUM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4oQ7tGlEUM[/video]
     
  21. NW Buff

    NW Buff Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    7,123
    Likes Received:
    741
    The one stumbling block that I see (and keep hearing about) is that the P-10 doesn't see the per-team revenue going up if they expand. Ultimately, this is about money and if they don't see a case where the schools get more money they won't expand (or won't invite the Buffs). For many reasons, I'd love the Buffs to jump to the P-10 but I am slightly pessimistic about it happening right now.
     
  22. SINKRATZ

    SINKRATZ Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    5,176
    Likes Received:
    1,161
    That, and I was also surprised DiStefano actually made a point to highlight some of CU's similarities with the Pac 10. He didn't have to do that, I would have expected the standard "The Pac 10 is great, but the Big 12 has an excellent academic, athletic, and research reputation and we are committed to ensuring the continuing success of our conference and its member schools".
     
  23. buffs04

    buffs04 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    2,488
    Likes Received:
    223
    Why are so many fans clamoring for a move to the Pac-10? It is a weaker conference top-to-bottom, and how is getting destroyed by USC any better than getting destroyed by Texas?

    Changing conferences doesn't make our football team better. I think a lot of you think that it does.

    I see a big disadvantage in conference prestige here. If you are the second best team in the Big 12, you will go to a BCS bowl more often than not. Can't say the same for the Pac-10. I see the #2 spot in the B12 as a hell of a lot more of a realistic ambition when the stars align every 7-10 years than #1 in the Pac10.

    There are peripheral advantages for making the move, to be sure, but I think most CU fans that are all about this just want to something new and shiny to get excited about since the program is so down right now.

    When the B12 renegotiates its TV contract, I am sure that it will be more lucrative than what the Pac-10 has to offer financially. In the long run, a switch is a lateral move at absolute best.
     
  24. dply

    dply Doble hoja Club Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2008
    Messages:
    20,383
    Likes Received:
    2,472
    My opinion?

    1. better fit school wise
    2. better travel destinations
    3. less haves vs have nots
    4. Possibility of getting a baseball team back
    5. Rose Bowl
    6. alumni living in the Pac-10 states
     
  25. SINKRATZ

    SINKRATZ Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    5,176
    Likes Received:
    1,161
    buffs04 - I think that's a very short term view of the two conferences. If this move happens it won't be so we can win a few more football games. You need to take a longer term view of this - the teams on top now weren't always there and won't always be there. Just as CU hasn't always been at the bottom and won't be there forever.
     
  26. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2009
    Messages:
    80,722
    Likes Received:
    16,417
    Nope. It's all because we are escaping the Big 12 competitiveness so we have a chance to win at football. :wink2: :lol:

    But, honestly, even on the winning front, I believe the Pac affords CU a better opportunity over the long term. On average, as I laid out in a long post a while back, the Pac and Big 12 are almost dead even in football prestige and recruiting. But the Big 12 is more top heavy, with 3 super-heavyweights in Oklahoma, Nebraska and Texas. Whereas the Pac has 1 super-heavyweight in USC and then is stronger through the middle and at the bottom. Recruiting strength is about even for the conferences, too. Both are good football conferences that CU can do well in. But the AD revenue disparity from the top of the Pac to what CU brings in is within striking distance. To compare it with baseball, the Big 12 has become the American League East. If you're not the Yankees or Red Sox, you end up spending more than you should and getting less back for it because you still aren't able to spend close to what they do. It's not a good situation for CU.
     
  27. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2005
    Messages:
    24,987
    Likes Received:
    2,704
    As others have said, the move to the Pac 10, if it happens, is a long term move. IMO, it would be best. Cu has much more in common with Pac 10 than Big 12 schools.



    Oh yeah, and eat turds UT....
     
  28. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    48,511
    Likes Received:
    4,510
    You do it for a lot of reasons, many of which have been detailed here. I keep coming back to one very telling statistic, which is that there are more CU alumni in the state of California than in all of the non-Colorado Big 12 states combined. People love to talk about how CU doesn't travel well. That's a load of hooey. Look at how many CU fans went out to the ASU game a couple years ago. Or the UCLA game, or the USC game... Are you picking up on the trend, here? CU fans don't have to "travel" to the West Coast. They're already there.
     
  29. GoBuffs08

    GoBuffs08 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2008
    Messages:
    4,813
    Likes Received:
    647
    The UCLA game several years ago in was great. CU had a huge turnout. Tempe was also an allsome time with a big CU crowd in all the bars pre and post game. You can't beat a trip to AZ or Cali in the fall/winter months.
     
  30. dply

    dply Doble hoja Club Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2008
    Messages:
    20,383
    Likes Received:
    2,472
    My season tickets were in a space with a lot of the other teams fans. They would say to me, "wow look how many fans we brought." "How come you guys don't travel as well?"

    I would then say, "No one wants to go to Lawrence."
     

Share This Page