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please no troy calhoun

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by bbads, Nov 28, 2010.

  1. bbads

    bbads Member

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    im starting this thread for all who believe troy should not be the next head coach at THEE university of colorado.

    if yall agree post why you think its an awful idea. Buff nation doesnt want or need troy.





    personally, i want EB. and obviously Les if we could get him.
     
  2. White_Rabbit

    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    Walrus does not approve of this message.
     
  3. The Guest

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    It's not so much that I don't approve, it's that I don't understand.

    Here's a candidate with fantastic offensive coordinator credentials; his teams have produced wherever he's gone, including leading a BCS conference in total offense. He has NFL offensive coordinator experience and some time on the defensive side of the ball as well. The hapless zoomies, who lack a lot of D1 competitive talent look like a decent team while he's coaching--which is to say that he's overachieving with the talent he does have.

    I concede that his hair is unimaginative and tragic on every level. I also understand that we want to avoid going for a non-BCS hire after our last nasty experience. And I can't forget the perception that Mike Bohn seems inclined to conduct only regional searches rather than national ones. Finally, he's an unproven recruiter in the PAC footprint, but isn't recruiting as much about staff as it is HC?

    But what if a great candidate happens to reside in the I-25 corridor. I'm not saying he is the right guy, but I don't feel that the arguments agains (hair aside) have been particularly well-considered.

    On the other hand, everybody is all fired up about Bieniemy. Now I acknowledge that he's a great Buff. But he doesn't bring nearly the credentials of Calhoun, and he brings some additional baggage as well.

    My concerns with Bieniemy is that he allegedly has a history of alienating certain players. It seems to be a problem with his former-teammate Coach Hagan as well, and doesn't help the team. Also, he lacks credible experience in a high level leadership position. In fact, little of his experience points to a leap to HC of a BCS school. He's a total emotional fan favorite, from where I sit, and I'm not convinced he's ready for this job.

    The arguments against Coach Calhoun and the arguments for Coach Bieniemy seem more emotional than rational. That's my only point. I'm not pushing for Calhoun, necessarily, or campaigning against Bieniemy. I would just like to see a more rational dialogue on the matter.
     
  4. SECOBuffsFan

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    Great response...CU could do a lot worse than Troy Calhoun
     
  5. InTheBuff

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    and they can do a hell of a lot better-

    come on people.... now is not the time to 'settle' for Calhoun
     
  6. Mick Ronson

    Mick Ronson Well-Known Member

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    agree with Wally 100%. objectively speaking, he's far more qualified than EB.

    more emotional than rational is spot on, in many cases.
     
  7. SECOBuffsFan

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    I don't think it is a settle. Is Calhoun my number 1 choice..no..but he is in the top 3.
     
  8. BuffsNYC

    BuffsNYC Uptown Club Member

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    It's all about recruiting. It's clear to me that CU isn't going to scheme its way to the Pac 12 championship. Mediocre recruiting and a great coach will get you 8 wins a year, but no championships. We need a top 20 recruiting class every season to compete. Maybe Calhoun could do that, but we lack the relevant data to know. I think Calhoun is a much more accomplished coach than Hawkins, and CU would be a more disciplined and better prepared team with him as coach. Still, in some ways it would be a similar hire to how Hawkins (and even Barnett) was sold to us--a guy who does more with less. I prefer a guy who doesn't think he needs less on the talent side to compete . . . I want a guy who will recruit well and go to the administration and fight to get in all eligible players.
     
  9. JimmyBuff

    JimmyBuff Well-Known Member

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    We hire Troy Calhoun you can forget about Buff nation ever coming together.


    Eric Bieniemy experience playing and coaching in the NFL and his experience RECRUITING the types of athletes you need to get CU to compete at a high level far outweigh Troy Calhoun' resume in my opinion.
     
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  10. The Guest

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    Unless of course he wins, Jimmy. Then he'll likely unite all Buff fans, and bring in a much more.

    While it's important to avoid the valleys and peaks, it's even more important to avoid the hyperbole.
     
  11. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Just wait.

    Someone like Miami is going to hire Calhoun and he's going to have huge success there. Then the people ripping him are going to be posting about what an idot wimp Bohn is for making the safe "in the family" hire when he could have had Calhoun.

    I'm keeping a list, people, and I'll be calling you out in a few years. :wink2:
     
  12. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    He has a terrible record against BCS teams as a head coach. He hasn't really done squat in his own conference. (Yes, I understand he's at Air Force, so what, he still hasn't won his conference, or even come close to winning his conference) His staff at Air Force is made up of a bunch of people I wouldn't want coming with him to Colorado. (Go look at his Air Force staff and tell me ONE COACH you would want him to bring to Colorado with him.)

    In short, Troy Calhoun is PRECISELY Dan Hawkins part two.
     
  13. CUinDC

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    Sorry, totally off topic, but can we please never, ever call ourselves this? I think it's really lame when tOSU does it. Plus, it stems from their insecure attempts to distinguish themselves from Ohio University as "THE" flagship university in the state of Ohio when they were founded, a problem we do not have.

    As for Calhoun, I admit that my biggest problem with him is that he reminds me of Hawk as a coaching hire, but that's enough for me to not really get excited if he's named our coach. I will obviously support him and hope that he quickly differentiates himself from that buffoon, but it will take a little while for me to really buy in.
     
  14. Darian3Hagan

    Darian3Hagan '89 Player of the Year Club Member

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    Whatever you are saying about us we are the same thing back at you.
     
  15. Del

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    Troy would be great at a place like Miami. The school already has the cache with 5 national championships and a huge talent base to draw from. Not as hard to recruit to as CU. He is only really going up against 2 schools for the best talent and there is enough to go round. He has the in state advantage and cache to work for him against the Va Techs of the world. Also the U is all in for football and he won't have to worry about the questionable admits. I think the U and CU are apples and oranges
     
  16. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    He is a risk just like every other coach on the list.
     
  17. Mick Ronson

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    Tim Dereuters (sp) at ATM is one year removed from being Calhoun's DC. ATM is better on D than they have been in a decade. So, unless you want to base your general assistant argument on the passing of one year....I'm thinking that's a stretch and a bit of a straw man argument.

    I also don't the think Calhoun=Hawk is at all accurate. Maybe since they both haven't won BCS conferences and had bad records against BCS teams is a nice surface comparison; but stylistically, the two aren't at all the same.

    Calhoun's teams are disciplined, Hawk's were not. Calhoun has been a coordinator at the BCS level and in the NFL. Hawkins was a TE coach at a WAC school. Hawk inherited a program already in place, Calhoun replaced a legend in Fisher DeBarry. The "follow a legend" thing generally doesn't work out much.

    you can be against Calhoun, but to say he's Hawk (which is an easy elision that incites immediate and inflammatory negativity around here....for sure)....is not that accurate imo....it's just an easy thing to say that doesn't bear up under scrutiny.

    Calhoun is 10 points away from being a one loss team. 3 losses to decent teams (@OU, @SDSU, and Utah) by 10 points total.
     
  18. dio

    dio Admin Club Member Junta Member

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    My main concern with Calhoun is recruiting. We have to get some talent in here, and I'm not sure Calhoun can provide an upgrade in talent over what we have.
     
  19. cu2x

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    "NO" vote
     
  20. BuffNut99

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    I don't know about that. AFA went into Tennessee and came within a 2 pt conversion of winning. They played Oklahoma as tough as anyone else did this year, nearly pulled that one out. AFA has given Utah everything they could handle and nearly beat undefeated TCU last year (beat both in 2007). Played Cal tough in bowl game a few years ago. AFA doesn't get many shots at BCS teams, but when they do, they play them tough, and with size/speed/athleticism disadvantages at EVERY position on the field - that is a product of good coaching.

    Calhoun may not be my #1 choice. but he's my #1 choice outside of the CU family (Mac, EB)
     
  21. rscmac

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    I will be on board if he is the choice but i wonder if we should hire the AD from Air Force since we seem to hire his coaches.
     
  22. bbads

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    I dont think a lot of people realize how important recruiting is for us right now going into the PAC12.

    troy calhoun has never recruited california, sure his coaching credentials may be okay at a service academy, but i want a coach that brings in the kind of athletes oregon has
     
  23. dyemeduke

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    Sure...fine. We need recruiting, but look at what most recruits commit to. They don't just commit to the head coach, but their position coach and the assistant that primarily recruited him are just as important many times, sometimes moreso. I think it's good that all interviewed candidates are asked to bring a list of potential assistants.

    I don't necessarily want Calhoun, but I agree with Walrus. The guy has credentials - more than EB. There are many questions surrounding him, but they are questions, as in haven't been answered yet. How do you know Calhoun can't recruit? How do you know any of the guys on the coaching list know how to run a program?

    I think the only person I'm 100% against hiring is Logan, but I'd welcome him as an assistant. Calhoun, if given the keys, deserves our support.
     
  24. ThndringHerd

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    Oregon recruits well because they've been a pretty damn good program for 15-20 yrs. Unless we get Les Miles or one of the hotter SEC coordinators, the next guy will have to show he can win some games before hot recruits will start looking our way again. In other words, they're going to have to win with the guys on the team now.

    No small feat considering we'll have more talent than Wazzu, and we'll be about equal to UW or ASU next year. Every other team in the PAC will have a talent edge on us next year. I think Calhoun can do that part of the job - win football games. The Zoomies are in about the same niche in the MWC. And his teams still put up 8-9 wins every year.

    Anyone think one of the 'in the family' guys with no HC or OC exp could have taken AFA from a 4 win team to an 8 win team in one year? Willing to bet the program on it?

    That's the gamble. Things can still get a whole lot worse for CU football. Whoever we bring in next year needs to take these guys bowling in his first year, or Wazzu might be looking down their noses at us talent-wise in 2012. It'll be a looooong road back once that happens.
     
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    Not one person on this board can say, without a doubt, that any coach on the list will be successful. There is a risk with every one of them, even Les Miles. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going to pull for whoever they hire to be successful. As a matter of fact, I'm, for the first time, getting season tickets for next year. And if its Troy Calhoun, EB, Mac or Miles, I'll be pulling for him to win.
     
  26. InTheBuff

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    oh ****... don't give us the moral victory crap.. NO, NO. NO, NO. NO !!!!!
     
  27. Darian3Hagan

    Darian3Hagan '89 Player of the Year Club Member

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    Calhoun was just 10 plays away......from being a good HC candidate for CU.
     
  28. boulder77

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    I'm with Wally on this one.

    Troy is not my first choice. While I have some concerns about his ability to recruit, I have no clue whether he would be successful or not. We can all state precedent for and against hiring a non-BCS coach, but until he is hired and has a couple of years on the job, none of us will know whether he can handle the job. If he wins, he will have been a good hire. If he doesn't, both he and Bohn will be looking for a job.

    I hope we hire someone else, but if the guy is Calhoun, I'm not going to jump off a cliff. I'll support him and hope he is smart enough to bring in a good staff and be successful.
     
  29. SINKRATZ

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    Of all those teams that AFA supposedly played tough, how many did they actually win? Zero. ALMOST beating teams is not all that impressive IMO. Hell, Hawk ALMOST won every game he coached here if you believe him.
     

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