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It's not so much that I don't approve, it's that I don't understand.
Here's a candidate with fantastic offensive coordinator credentials; his teams have produced wherever he's gone, including leading a BCS conference in total offense. He has NFL offensive coordinator experience and some time on the defensive side of the ball as well. The hapless zoomies, who lack a lot of D1 competitive talent look like a decent team while he's coaching--which is to say that he's overachieving with the talent he does have.
I concede that his hair is unimaginative and tragic on every level. I also understand that we want to avoid going for a non-BCS hire after our last nasty experience. And I can't forget the perception that Mike Bohn seems inclined to conduct only regional searches rather than national ones. Finally, he's an unproven recruiter in the PAC footprint, but isn't recruiting as much about staff as it is HC?
But what if a great candidate happens to reside in the I-25 corridor. I'm not saying he is the right guy, but I don't feel that the arguments agains (hair aside) have been particularly well-considered.
On the other hand, everybody is all fired up about Bieniemy. Now I acknowledge that he's a great Buff. But he doesn't bring nearly the credentials of Calhoun, and he brings some additional baggage as well.
My concerns with Bieniemy is that he allegedly has a history of alienating certain players. It seems to be a problem with his former-teammate Coach Hagan as well, and doesn't help the team. Also, he lacks credible experience in a high level leadership position. In fact, little of his experience points to a leap to HC of a BCS school. He's a total emotional fan favorite, from where I sit, and I'm not convinced he's ready for this job.
The arguments against Coach Calhoun and the arguments for Coach Bieniemy seem more emotional than rational. That's my only point. I'm not pushing for Calhoun, necessarily, or campaigning against Bieniemy. I would just like to see a more rational dialogue on the matter.
Great response...CU could do a lot worse than Troy Calhoun
and they can do a hell of a lot better-
come on people.... now is not the time to 'settle' for Calhoun
We hire Troy Calhoun you can forget about Buff nation ever coming together.
Eric Bieniemy experience playing and coaching in the NFL and his experience RECRUITING the types of athletes you need to get CU to compete at a high level far outweigh Troy Calhoun' resume in my opinion.
It's not so much that I don't approve, it's that I don't understand.
Here's a candidate with fantastic offensive coordinator credentials; his teams have produced wherever he's gone, including leading a BCS conference in total offense. He has NFL offensive coordinator experience and some time on the defensive side of the ball as well. The hapless zoomies, who lack a lot of D1 competitive talent look like a decent team while he's coaching--which is to say that he's overachieving with the talent he does have.
I concede that his hair is unimaginative and tragic on every level. I also understand that we want to avoid going for a non-BCS hire after our last nasty experience. And I can't forget the perception that Mike Bohn seems inclined to conduct only regional searches rather than national ones. Finally, he's an unproven recruiter in the PAC footprint, but isn't recruiting as much about staff as it is HC?
But what if a great candidate happens to reside in the I-25 corridor. I'm not saying he is the right guy, but I don't feel that the arguments agains (hair aside) have been particularly well-considered.
On the other hand, everybody is all fired up about Bieniemy. Now I acknowledge that he's a great Buff. But he doesn't bring nearly the credentials of Calhoun, and he brings some additional baggage as well.
My concerns with Bieniemy is that he allegedly has a history of alienating certain players. It seems to be a problem with his former-teammate Coach Hagan as well, and doesn't help the team. Also, he lacks credible experience in a high level leadership position. In fact, little of his experience points to a leap to HC of a BCS school. He's a total emotional fan favorite, from where I sit, and I'm not convinced he's ready for this job.
The arguments against Coach Calhoun and the arguments for Coach Bieniemy seem more emotional than rational. That's my only point. I'm not pushing for Calhoun, necessarily, or campaigning against Bieniemy. I would just like to see a more rational dialogue on the matter.
im starting this thread for all who believe troy should not be the next head coach at THEE university of colorado.
if yall agree post why you think its an awful idea. Buff nation doesnt want or need troy.
personally, i want EB. and obviously Les if we could get him.
Just wait.
Someone like Miami is going to hire Calhoun and he's going to have huge success there. Then the people ripping him are going to be posting about what an idot wimp Bohn is for making the safe "in the family" hire when he could have had Calhoun.
I'm keeping a list, people, and I'll be calling you out in a few years. :wink2:
Just wait.
Someone like Miami is going to hire Calhoun and he's going to have huge success there. Then the people ripping him are going to be posting about what an idot wimp Bohn is for making the safe "in the family" hire when he could have had Calhoun.
I'm keeping a list, people, and I'll be calling you out in a few years. :wink2:
His staff at Air Force is made up of a bunch of people I wouldn't want coming with him to Colorado. (Go look at his Air Force staff and tell me ONE COACH you would want him to bring to Colorado with him.)
In short, Troy Calhoun is PRECISELY Dan Hawkins part two.
I don't know about that. AFA went into Tennessee and came within a 2 pt conversion of winning. They played Oklahoma as tough as anyone else did this year, nearly pulled that one out. AFA has given Utah everything they could handle and nearly beat undefeated TCU last year (beat both in 2007). Played Cal tough in bowl game a few years ago. AFA doesn't get many shots at BCS teams, but when they do, they play them tough, and with size/speed/athleticism disadvantages at EVERY position on the field - that is a product of good coaching.He has a terrible record against BCS teams as a head coach. He hasn't really done squat in his own conference. (Yes, I understand he's at Air Force, so what, he still hasn't won his conference, or even come close to winning his conference) His staff at Air Force is made up of a bunch of people I wouldn't want coming with him to Colorado. (Go look at his Air Force staff and tell me ONE COACH you would want him to bring to Colorado with him.) In short, Troy Calhoun is PRECISELY Dan Hawkins part two.
I dont think a lot of people realize how important recruiting is for us right now going into the PAC12.
troy calhoun has never recruited california, sure his coaching credentials may be okay at a service academy, but i want a coach that brings in the kind of athletes oregon has
I dont think a lot of people realize how important recruiting is for us right now going into the PAC12.
troy calhoun has never recruited california, sure his coaching credentials may be okay at a service academy, but i want a coach that brings in the kind of athletes oregon has
Tim Dereuters (sp) at ATM is one year removed from being Calhoun's DC. ATM is better on D than they have been in a decade. So, unless you want to base your general assistant argument on the passing of one year....I'm thinking that's a stretch and a bit of a straw man argument.
I also don't the think Calhoun=Hawk is at all accurate. Maybe since they both haven't won BCS conferences and had bad records against BCS teams is a nice surface comparison; but stylistically, the two aren't at all the same.
Calhoun's teams are disciplined, Hawk's were not. Calhoun has been a coordinator at the BCS level and in the NFL. Hawkins was a TE coach at a WAC school. Hawk inherited a program already in place, Calhoun replaced a legend in Fisher DeBarry. The "follow a legend" thing generally doesn't work out much.
you can be against Calhoun, but to say he's Hawk (which is an easy elision that incites immediate and inflammatory negativity around here....for sure)....is not that accurate imo....it's just an easy thing to say that doesn't bear up under scrutiny.
lCalhoun is 10 points away from being a one loss team. 3 losses to decent teams (@OU, @SDSU, and Utah) by 10 points total.
I don't know about that. AFA went into Tennessee and came within a 2 pt conversion of winning. They played Oklahoma as tough as anyone else did this year, nearly pulled that one out. AFA has given Utah everything they could handle and nearly beat undefeated TCU last year (beat both in 2007). Played Cal tough in bowl game a few years ago. AFA doesn't get many shots at BCS teams, but when they do, they play them tough, and with size/speed/athleticism disadvantages at EVERY position on the field - that is a product of good coaching.
Calhoun may not be my #1 choice. but he's my #1 choice outside of the CU family (Mac, EB)