Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by leftybuff, Jul 16, 2010.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, Cowboy Dan keeps doing the same things over and over and getting the same results.....
From the article:
Hawkins said players such as defensive lineman Nate Bonsu, wide receiver Scotty McKnight, place-kicker Aric Goodman and offensive linemen Max Tuioti-Mariner, Ryan Miller and Matt Bahr, all of whom were either injured during the spring or missed spring ball entirely, should be healthy for the start of camp.
Hope Max can stay healthy, he's had a tough go of it.
I won't watch Cody unde.... er.. behind center.
Don't want to stroke out.
wooo MTM! And also some crap about Cody. ****kkkk hawkins.
Oh my god talkins! Your son is not a d1 QB!!!
I am concerned Hawk will talk himself into believeing Cody is the best QB for the job. I don't believe he is. If he is, as many have said before, this staff has been a catastrophic failure at recruitng and developing a legit D1 QB.....(facepalm)
maybe it's more of that swashbuckling gamesmanship that worked so well against CSU. I mean, like, they didn't know who to prepare for!
Sweet, so being a practice all-star is going to get Cody the nod again? Wonderful...:rolling_eyes:
Sorry Unleash, but do you really think Talkins won't play him ? This is his last year, the only football he will ever play again will be in a flag league.
DH will play Cody early and often. Why wouldn't he? It's his son's last year of eligibility and DH's last year as a head coach. If he didn't start his son I'm sure his wife would put Dan's puny balls in a tiny vice.
Get ready for another year of the 5' 8" wunderkind and the further destruction of our beloved football program.
:lol: Kyle Ringo sure knows exactly which buttons to press. :lol:
I wish I cared.
Yeah, me too... Just more of the same old crap from Dan. Of course Dan will somehow justify why his boy should start. Is anyone really surprised by this? Really?
How could you not see it? Have you ever coached before? We have to take care of the little things, bring our lunchpail and put our horns on. Cody gives us the best chance to do the things we want to do, he knows the playbook, have you been to practice, you should see the work he does in the film room.
Not only will Hawk end up playing his son but he will have so thoroughly convinced himself that it is the right decision that he will get indignant at the questions about it when it doesn't work. Then after catastrophe has already occurred Hawk will throw Tyler in there but with a gameplan tailored for Cody limitations and a team that is already discouraged and resigned to losing and when Tyler isn't effective Hawk will say "Neither guy could get much done, we just have to take care of some of the little things. I haven't decided who will start next week, we'll just have to look at what happens in practice."
In other words "Same as it ever was."
This may fly in the face of what most people think, but I think we will see very little of Cody on the field this year barring injury.
I don't believe the conspiracy theories that Hawk is somehow manipulating the competition and jerking Tyler around as an excuse to get Cody on the field at all costs. I believe Hawk truly in his heart of hearts (however misguided) believed Cody was the better option over the past few years and felt that Cody would prove him right. I think he feels guilty now, not for the decision to start Cody, but for the pressure and criticism Cody has received because of that decision.
In past spring/fall camps Tyler really did not separate himself from Cody and most of the argument to start him was because of his perceived athletic ability and "upside" but not necessarily the results he put up.
After last season and this Spring, I think it has become more clear to everyone (including Hawk) that Tyler is the better option now and despite all the "paper thin" talk, I believe this is firmly Tyler's job to lose and Cody will be ok supporting his friend.
Was 2008 the only year that Hawk announced a QB starter prior to fall camp?
In 2006, I remember it being wide open. In 2007, I thought that Nick Nelson was running pretty much neck-and-neck with Cody after the spring. In 2008, it was definitely Cody. In 2009, it was a competition but the "insider" reports correctly stated that it was Cody's job and they were going to try to redshirt Tyler. In 2010, the "insider" reports are that it's a competition but that it's Tyler's job, they're building the offense around him, and he's been getting the majority of time with the 1s and with Coach Kiesau.
I've decided that I'm not going to stress about this. I'll assume it's Tyler's job until proven otherwise. If Cody is our starter for CSU for any reason other than an injury, I'll go into a total meltdown and I don't see any reason to have a pre-meltdown mini-meltdown in July over mundane comments by Coach Hawk.
IMO, TH gets the nod, becuase of his numbers and the fact he can do things CH never will. Even with CH piling up meaningless stats at th tail end of games like Toledo, TH's numbers were substantially better. Factor in TH was playing against B 12 teams and didn't get to play against CSU, Toledo and Wyoming and the separation is more obvious. There is no argument to play CH unless it is injury or Daddy as coach...
By the end of last season Tyler had improved to the point that I think he earned the starting job heading into Spring, and he did enough IMO to hold onto it which is why I don't think it's as paper thin as we are lead to believe.
However, up until basically the A&M game last year, he really hadn't proved to be a clearly better option than Cody which is what I meant by my results comment above.
Even today, TH's career stats are really no better than Cody:
CH - 55%
TH - 55%
CH - 49 to 38
TH - 9 to 11
CH - 2008: 118.14, 2009: 100.18
TH - 2008: 81.26, 2009: 113.58
Tyler seems to be improving which is why he'll end up getting the nod IMO.
As was mentioned earlier, a lot of Cody's stats are inflated throwing against prevents in the fourth quarter when we are down by multiple scores.
I agree that on the field the difference has certainly not been a night and day situation. Both have had their moments good and bad and neither has exactly made anyone forget Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy or for that matter most of the other QBs in the conference. The difference is clearly in two areas, one is that Cody has pretty well maxed out his ability, he isn't going to get taller, stronger, faster, etc. and opponents have figured out how to shut him down. Tyler on the other hand lacks polish, could use some more accuracy, and has a long way to go with his decision making, all things that can and should improve markedly with playing time and the coaching that comes with being the starter. Will Tyler ever be a great college QB, not likely, but he has the potential to develop into a guy who can win some games based on his talent and lead the team to a better record than would be possible with Cody.
My concern is that for all the logical, rational, reasoning we can come up with Hawk has proven that logical, rational is not his strong suite. Should Tyler be the starter and be given every opportunity to succeed like Cody has been, yes. Will Hawk treat him the same or will Hawk looking through his special lenses see little Hawk as his answer, that is a question that we don't know the answer to.
If you look at last year's stats ,instead of career numbers, the difference is glaring. Using TH's career numbers when the staff effectively took him from scout team to starter and then promptly benched him makes as much sense as looking at CH's numbers the first year he started for a current read on the situation.
Without citing the numbers themselves from '09, TH was 10% more accurate, about 10% more yards per completion, and threw more TD's than picks (CH threw more picks than TD's) on almost an identical number of attempts. TH had net positive rushing, while CH was something like -90 tards rushing net. I honestly don't know how you can make a case for CH, espcially since TH's numbers came against B 12 opponents and CH was able to fluff his numbers against CSU, UW and Toledo....
I fully expect to see a steady diet (at least 3,4,5 starts) of Cody this year. I hope I am wrong.
This might sound peculiar but I think another aspect to this is Hansen's ability to run. One thing that is undeniable is that he is a threat with his feet on a team that doesn't appear to have all that many. Yes Cody's been given many - too many, I think most would agree - opportunities to run the ship but if that's shown us anything it's that when he's in the game the Buff O becomes a lot more limited and predictable.
Let's assume that our line finally gels this season for the sake of this argument (I'm not asking anybody to believe it until they see it). Cody's limitations (i.e. slow release and delivery, and limited mobility and height) are further amplified by a porous line. But the kid is a natural leader, and a warrior who knows the offense inside and out. IF CU has a line, his physical limitations become less of a factor and his accuracy and understanding of the offense can be exploited. He may even find time to progress through his checks.
At the end of last season, CU's offense looked mildly potent for the first time in, say, four years. Tyler's skill set, particularly his mobility, made that difference in my mind.
Here's the questions. If we're only examining our recent history with a pretty shoddy offensive line and applying that to this coming season...assuming our offensive line gets it together, are we comparing apples and oranges? Or if we have a stellar line, does it negate the relevance Cody's recent struggles and make him a contender at the position?
Just for fun, is all...
I'm not making the case that Cody should start, just the opposite. My point is that looking at the stats doesn't make Tyler look much better than Cody. I'm not sure where you're getting your 2009 numbers, but CH and TH look equally mediocre to me:
CH: 121/239 - 50.6%
TH: 129/231 - 55.8%
CH: 10 TD 11 INT
TH: 8 TD 7 INT
Yards per completion:
Tyler's numbers are better, but it certainly isn't "glaring" - he's not lighting the world on fire either. And your comment about Cody piling up numbers against "fluff" competition makes no sense, we lost 2 of those 3 games, so we weren't rolling over anyone.
Article this AM in the post states that Tyler is getting most of the reps with the 1s during 7 on 7s and that he's the "verbal leader and coach". That sounds like the starter to me.
Like Nik said, I'll get worried if Cody is the starter for the lamb game and TH is healthy riding pine.
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