Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by Jens1893, Feb 18, 2016.
TAD SHOULD BE FIRED NOT EXTENDED!!!
Whoa there, man. Time out.
lol... sarcasm font bro
Ok. I'll use it next time.
Too late, you mean?
Tad's getting a nice payout in 2019 when Chauncey takes over. Well deserved.
Good for Tad. Good for CU.
If, as it has been suggested, we've hit our ceiling with Tad, I'm OK with that. This ceiling is higher than any of us could have imagined when Bzdelik was here.
Average 20+ wins a year, make the Dance 75-80% of the time, once or twice a decade go on a March run to snag a Pac-12 title or advance to the 2nd weekend of the Dance? Yeah. That's a pretty damn good place to be.
Those timeouts though....
It would be nice to take the next step but we aren't going to find someone who's better than one tourney win per five years or so, and Tad can probably continue to deliver that, so might as well hold on to him.
Perhaps a discussion for another thread, but are expectations different for football and basketball at CU? If MM gets the football program to 7 or 8 wins a year and a random sponsor bowl game, but nothing more, are we satisfied? At what point in both programs do we desire a coach who can raise the ceiling?
Tad is a good coach it may have not shown last night but he has brought this program where it has not been in a long time. 3 straight NCAA tournament appearance an NIT final four #RollTad
I see a fundamental difference based on tradition. In football, CU is a Top 30 all-time program. It needs to perform as such. In basketball, CU has one of the weakest traditions among the Power 6 -- not even a handful of household names like even some programs we look down on can claim. To make basketball consistently perform like a Top 40 program as Tad has done is perfectly acceptable. At some point that bar will raise, but we're a decade away from worrying about that imho and Tad does work hard to continue to grow as a coach every year. It's a shame that people don't seem to be enjoying this success as much as they should.
The Tad Boyle / CU Buff ceiling (capability) is variable year-to-year based on the usual factors of talent, injuries, schedule, team chemistry, coaching experience, etc. So far it's looked like borderline NCAA tourney is the best to hope for, but it only takes one Chauncey or two Spencer/Roberson types to elevate a "good" team to "great." Those years will come if we stick with Tad. How long til they come, and how frequently, are the questions of interest and of course there are no answers.
So we've got a good team this year, not a great team. If the basketball gods continue to favor us, we may win a game in the NCAAs. We're good enough to maybe sweep the final 4 games and the P12 tourney, but not good enough to be sure we won't get swept in all our remaining games.
Meanwhile Tad keeps the team 'good' and hopes for either a star recruit or two that just fall in love with Boulder, or a couple of promising recruits that far exceed expectations and turn into stars. It will happen if Tad's boss is patient - meanwhile enjoy the highly competitive 20-win seasons. Any claim that changing Tad out would be good for the program is either malicious or fuzzy thinking.
And while failing to call a timeout v SC was momentarily distressing and the game outcome quite disappointing, the big picture is that we've got an excellent coach who probably wants to stay here long term, and we're living through an era of sustained good teams that will likely continue and possibly improve. Who thought we'd be up 15 v SC in this situation? The collapse was terrible, but I'd rather have a good showing of Buff ability than gradually absorb a 15-point loss without ever looking good.
I can agree with that. I wasn't trying to insinuate that Tad isn't good enough; it was just something I was thinking about after reading some of the comments today.
Not. Sure. If. Serious.
I expect one or both of the Cross Country teams to win the NC every year. Really.
Good to see a coach actually earn contract extensions. BTW, @TScheckler, expectations in football are actually lower.
I meant it in a sense of, at what point are we going to desire more from CU basketball than, at best, a first round, occasionally 2nd round, exit from the tournament?
I tend to stay away from posting on the BBall threads here, but if you read them regularly, you'll see that a majority of Buff BBall fans are pretty happy just getting into the tournament. And I'd guess that goes for a majority of non-internet CU BBall fans as well. Just an observation.
I get what you are saying but CU Hoops has never been to the mountain, they dont even know where it is. Also the time frame is much longer that what many of our most vociferous social media idiots would like, if you look simply at what is being investing in Hoops right now by the AD - their plan seems to be "keep Tad and we are good." So unless you also want to run RG then all of this consternation by some fans is stupid and pointless.
Yes most fans are happy with the greatest 5 year run in CU Basketball History.
Where would the ceiling had been if Dinwiddy not been injured then turned pro and Roberson had stayed for his final year and Josh hadn't had back issues last year? Tad has had a bit of misfortune. It's unfortunate, I suppose, that relying on 1 or 2 stars has bitten us in the ass when they take their ball and leave. Teams that sign 2 or 3 or 4 McDonalda AA's can take that hit. We always seem to be a year away then guys leave early.
Good he gets it this year because it will not look pretty in a couple of years if recruiting doesn't improve.
Don't worry Darth. pw's last basketball post was in the Harry Froling thread on January 25th. You can see it below and just remember there's no need to respond to him anymore.
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