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Theory on MB...

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by leftybuff, Dec 2, 2010.

  1. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    After watching the 10 p.m. news last night and hearing Vic Lombardi say Mac is officially out, I came to the following conclusions:

    1. MB is a windsock, not a leader. He wants to find a hire that pleases everybody. He got walked on over the timing of firing Juicebox, and he is apparently happy to lay down if it saves his paycheck. So he is sticking his finger in the wind on this hire, instead of finding a guy who can do the job best.

    2. Because he's a windsock, despite what he said, IMO, Mac was never, ever, ever going to get the job. MB just dangled that to keep the alums, former players and certain donors off his back.

    3. To his credit, MB did go elephant hunting and tried to get a Richt, Miles type big name BCS coach, mainly to achieve point number 2.

    4. Since MB failed to bag the elephant, he is now to his B list, which really isn't all that bad. McElwain, EB, Embree, Cabral, the farce of pretending Mac was a candidate...not bad. Fortunately, somehow, MB got over his man crush on Calhoun.

    5. But true to form, MB is still going to find a way to foul this up. Mac is out, apparently MB is passing on Cabral, so EB or EmBree is the question. That is a no brainer. I love Embo as a Buff and he's a great recruiter and AC, but only EB has the panache to do those things AND be HC.

    6. Despite #5 MB may have stuck his finger in the air and found out, GASP, not every single person he interacts with approves of EB. MB shifts back into spineless political hack mode and opts for the candidate who isn't a viable HC candidate anywhere else. As matter of fact, outside of Buff land Embo is probably viewed as a career AC. Embo is non-descript, non-controversial, and most importantly for MB, not in demand anywhere else as an HC which makes him a) low price and b) easily controlled. Winning potential is clearly a lower tier concern.

    7. The above process is what makes MB's hiring track record the wasteland it is. He wants to please everybody, and in the end pleases no one. Not to mention, fails to pick a winner.

    8. One word about McElwain. IF he ends up being the hire, he better win, and win fast, another untested HC with no goodwill from the Buff faithful (i.e. an outsider) coming in here stepping on his dick for three years will KILL the program. At least EB and or Embo will have a much more relaxed leash.

    MB has apparently never understood the prime function of the AD isn't to be popular, it isn't to have the academics love you, it is to field competitive teams. I hope EB is actually the choice. If it is Embo, I'll be pulling for him big time, just like I would have Calhoun, or if it ends up being McElwain. I just think MB is passing on better candidates.

    One last thought on McElwain. Those of you who are thinking, if he's good enough for Saban, he's good enough for me read this:http://blog.al.com/rapsheet/2008/01/saban_targets_nebraskas_shawn.html

    Saban was looking for Shortbus before McElwain too. My only point is any OC is a risk, MB had better hope and pray, McElwain is the real deal if he goes that way...
     
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  2. Bienemy4life

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    My theory on MB is that he's a sleeper agent sent to destroy CU. Well played Bohn and your masters.
     
  3. fatbuff

    fatbuff Well-Known Member

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    You are describing a commitee hire, not a reflection of Bohn. Committes are for politcians that dont have a ****ing clue about the subject at hand, and our admin fits the bill. Mark my words, we are going to get a coach that is meant to please everyone and will end up pleasing nobody. I am beyond pissed off.
     
  4. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    :lol: Well there is that too...
     
  5. MiamiBuffs

    MiamiBuffs Wᴉɐɯᴉ qnɟɟs Club Member

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    I believe you have brought a pre disposed bias to your theory. Just my humble opinion.
     
  6. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    Quite true fatty. But then again, not every AD is a spineless windsock needing a commitee to hide behind when hiring/firing. MB needed one here, and in that sense, it is a reflection of him and his windsock.
     
  7. MiamiBuffs

    MiamiBuffs Wᴉɐɯᴉ qnɟɟs Club Member

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    Few ADs hire without a committee anymore. Its all the rave. Well, other than the ones who are bullet proof like Tom Osborne.
     
  8. MiamiBuffs

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    Did it ever occur to you that sole discretion over hiring and firing might not be included in his job description anymore? A description that was very likely heavily revised and watered down after Dick Tharp was shown the door for his bumbling incompetence? We are long, long way removed from the days of Bill Marolt.
     
  9. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    I assume you mean that Mac was my favorite? I am sure that colors my opinion, but I was pretty pumped about EB or Cabral getting the gig too. As much as would have been bummed about Calhoun, I would have gotten on the bus and pulled for him, just like I did for Juicebox when GB got done wrong. As foolish as I feel for admitting it, I bleieved in Hawk up until the ISU game in '09 and was pulling for him.

    You are correct I think Mac is the guy at this juncture who is lowest risk highest return. Nobody has done what he has done here, why not give him a try? It is all academic now, becasue I am convinced Mac is out.

    That aside, this hire doesn't look to you like bringing a winner is number thre or four on the priority list? It does to me.
     
  10. FlatironsBuff

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    His task should be to hire the coach that will fire up the Buff faithful and WIN!!!!

    EB is the choice, of these three choices. IMO, Mac is the better choice than all three.
     
  11. BinaryBuff

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    Don't know if I should applaud or cry, but well said lefty, I think you have accurately described Bohn and this process.
     
  12. 96 Buff

    96 Buff Resident Commie Bastard Club Member Junta Member

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    I disagree with your assessment of Mike Bohn as being spineless. Many many people get overruled in decisions by those with higher authority. As to the committee hire, many people are hired by committees in private business as well. The new Head Coach needs to be able to fit into the AD, and most of the time it makes sense to get multiple opinions and viewpoints on a potential hire.
     
  13. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    Yes that has occurred to me, and if he isn't given authority for hiring and firing he's a bigger joke than I could have ever imagined. For instance, the day the director of sales is no longer the final say in hiring and firing his sales force, he's just another salesman, or the supervisor of sales. If MB is that micromanaged, they should just call the Athletic Supervisor because he isn't directing much. I suspect that is indeed the case.
     
  14. Bienemy4life

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    The longer Bohn drags this on the more he will be pilloried. & rightfully so since he's had a good year to prep for this hire.
     
  15. fatbuff

    fatbuff Well-Known Member

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    Maybe in theory, but in the real world commitees are a precursor to mediocrity.
     
  16. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    I have a theory that CU fans will bitch no matter whom is hired and they will also bitch about the hiring process as well.
     
  17. MiamiBuffs

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    To be honest with you all I don't think a decision has been made yet. Period.

    Nature abhors a vacuum and that vacuum has deftly been filled with rumors.
     
  18. Buffalo Brad

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    Pretty good overview that I agree with. Your point 8 on McElwain is right on. It may be best at this point to have the family member get the job. That will buy some time for the coach. My only reservation comes from the experience standpoint. They talked about it as being part of the search and then it obviously became a none issue to have lead a team or be a coordinator (I know Embo was passing game coordinator - whatever). The all bent to the family hiring when the homerun swings missed. Too bad for the process.
     
  19. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    When I have seen committes in the private business world, it is usually for a Sr. Executive slot. HC is under the AD, who is under the Chancellor, who is under the President, who answers to the Board of Regents. Pretty far down the totem pole if you ask me. But you are right, they are not unheard of...
     
  20. 96 Buff

    96 Buff Resident Commie Bastard Club Member Junta Member

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    Has it ever occurred to you that the "real world" is, in fact, considerably larger than the small part you've experienced? And that you're not the only one to ever have experienced the "real world"?
     
  21. BuffsNYC

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    :wtf: All this before even knowing who the coach is going to be?

    This could all be true, but I haven't seen any evidence of any of it. I sincerely hope that Bohn, or the committee, or whoever is in charge, is choosing a coach who he or they sincerely believe is the most likely to be successful. Until someone shows me some evidence that some other, political bull**** is going on, I'm going to believe that Bohn, et al. are doing their best to make the right choice.

    Bohn hired a resume last time and it didn't work out. I'm fine with him hiring based on potential this time.

    Hiring a coach is a crapshoot every time. None of us knows if our favored candidate will win big or if the guy we hate will lose big . . . not that we should stop pretending that we know.
     
  22. fatbuff

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    On a more important note. What did you think when you saw CT coming on in Cutthroat? Bitches looked scared.
     
  23. 96 Buff

    96 Buff Resident Commie Bastard Club Member Junta Member

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    And if he's so far down the totem pole, why are you surprised that he can be overruled on decisions?
     
  24. fatbuff

    fatbuff Well-Known Member

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    Im smack dab in the middle of it. You ?
     
  25. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    Maybe they should be glad they stil lhave fans willing to be concerned enough to offer their thoughts. If what I said was bitching, what goes on in the SEC must be lynchings. I'll keep it to myself next time I guess....
     
  26. HornBuff

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    I think I've come around to EB, even though he was a bit of a thug in the past and doesn't have the "proper" credentials and specific experience. I like the comment "only EB has the panache". I would agree with that statement. Choosing a coach is a roll of the dice, at best. I think EB probably has the force of personality to make something happen (hopefully good)...and he's affordable and obviously CU loyal. The assistant coaches typically do the real coaching work anyhow. I think EB would give CU someting different and unique in the marketplace of college football, espeically in the marketplace of recruiting. Lastly, EB's toughness philosophy might be a good strategy for the Pac 12. Stanford is doing well with that.

    Count me in for EB.
     
  27. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Agreed. There are some kooks on the show this season.

    Was not calling you out Lefty. It seems to me there is no consensus on any candidates put forth. It seems to me there is no consensus on how the hiring process should be completed.

    I also do not blame fans for bitching at this point. The current AD regime does not deserve the benefit of the doubt, considering the hiring record. With the last hire being such a miserable failure, this is where the AD finds itself, in a no-win situation. They put themselves there, but it is a no-win situation nonetheless.

    EDIT: I am not exactly thrilled with an Embree hire. My top choice was Hoke and he was never seriously considered.
     
  28. leftybuff

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    It's cool BB. I tried to give MB credit for what has been done well so far (i.e. going after the big fish) but although I will support the new coach whomever it is, there are definitely varying degrees of excitedness. You are right it is a no-win situation and MB is actually lucky, most AD's get canned along with their flagship hire when the fail as epicly as DH. Embo is A Buff and a pretty good guy from all accounts, I just like EB as HC better. Time will tell....
     
  29. Duff Man

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    Agree on all counts.
     
  30. SBG

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    As much as Watson sucked here, with Bama's talent he would thrive. Big RBs. Big OL. Great WRs and TEs. The thing about Watson is that he needs the talent to do those things. He's not super creative or a mastermind, but he plays good smashmouth. A conservative playcaller a lot of the time and would have fit in well with Saban.

    I do agree that an unproven OC is a risk. Would much rather go with OSU's OC if we went with a current OC, but I'd prefer a proven DC. I think overall they tend to be the lowest risk/reward type of guys.
     

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