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What criticism is acceptable in the recruiting forum?

Discussion in 'University of Colorado Recruiting Archive' started by Burrito Palazzo, Nov 27, 2011.

  1. Burrito Palazzo

    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    fify. The coaches, the kid, and kid's parents really appreciate you comments. You trying to help recruiting or hurt it?
     
  2. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    If there are legit criticisms to be made, posters are free to make them.
     
  3. Burrito Palazzo

    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    That's my point, he doesn't criticize, he's just negative. Why are you not impressed? What are you concerns? Specifically, what have you seen that you don't like? Don't bitch at me cause you're mad at Tebow.
     
  4. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    :lol:
     
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    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    The ****? I don't remember what I specifically didn't like about his film. I just didn't think he was a very fluid athlete, he has nice measurables, though. I didn't say he sucked, I just said I wasn't overly impressed. I was meh on him. I prefer other players at safety. If we get him I hope he blows me away.
     
  6. Burrito Palazzo

    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    You can't remember why? How can your opinion be trusted? Presumably, you can't remember why you like others better.
     
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    ze island. good job douches.
     
  8. White_Rabbit

    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    Ugh, I posted that over a month ago. I don't specifically recall everything I did or did not like about a prospect and don't really feel like watching his film again right now.

    Don't trust my opinion for all I care, it's not like it's worth much anyway. You seem to want me to only comment if I have glowing praise for a recruit, not sure how that backs up your idea of credibility. If you're looking for overly credible posters, only read what highlander, BB, and nik have to say on prospects.

    I usually try to elaborate on why I do or do not like a recruit. With Thomas, I just remember watching the film thinking "6'3 safety with 4.4 speed, awesome!" and just not seeing it on the film.

    Yes, I prefer other players at safety. I remember that much. Is that so wrong? We're talking about recalling some pretty specific things vs something pretty general.

    Here's how I try to look at recruits in a critical manner:

    1. other offers
    2. rating
    3. video
    4. measurables
    5. intangibles

    Some recruits stand out in every way. Some have crappy offers, but impressive film (see Josh Tupuo thread since you think I'm negative on everything apparently). Usually a higher rating means something, but it's not overly high on my list of important factors. Big offers are usually a pretty good indicator. I then try to factor it all together and decide on what I think of the kid. At the time, Thomas had some pretty average offers, low rating, great measurables, and average video. Therefore, I was meh on him, but commented on what I liked about him.
     
  9. Burrito Palazzo

    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    The sooner the better.
     
  10. White_Rabbit

    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    Were you implying that I'm just being negative and not critical in this thread, or in general? I'm honestly curious here because I do try to be guarded against just being negative for no reason. I don't want a kid to read a thread on him and be turned off any more than you do. That being said, I try to maintain some semblance of credibility by not automatically saying every recruit will turn into Jerry Rice or Ed Reed.

    I also find it hard to believe that a kid would have seen my post and immediately jumped and ran to another school. I mean, there have been worse things said about recruits than, "I'm not overly impressed".
     
  11. RK

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    Did people learn nothing from an ACTUAL RECRUIT commenting on their profile earlier today?
     
  12. Burrito Palazzo

    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    Fair enough. I'm not saying we should be pumping sunshine, but if you have reservations it's shouldn't be vague, it should be a specific critique.

    This is what drove my thinking. Recruits and all of their influences read these threads. Vague negative comments can only be a detriment to our recruiting efforts. There can be no positive effect. What's our goal here? A kid chose a school on a license plate sighting last year. I don't like the idea of erecting barriers to CU that don't need to be there. And before anyone says "well we don't want a kid that makes decisions like that" I'd say a lot of kids make those kinds of decisions.
     
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    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    What's your point? Are you implying the rule of allowing critical comments should be changed?
     
  14. Burrito Palazzo

    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    Do you want recruits to commit?
     
  15. White_Rabbit

    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    That's fair, I'll elaborate when I am critical of a recruit in the future.

    I do think non sunshine comments are fair game, though. Way worse things are said about recruits on other boards. Reading the Juda Parker thread on volnation last year was pretty interesting. I will be more thorough in the future, though.
     
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    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    I'm not answering that. Do you think the rule should be changed?
     
  17. Burrito Palazzo

    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    That's cool. I would observe that Juda Parker didn't commit to volnation. I perceive recruiting threads to be a sales effort. DLove was in his own thread today, and I hate the idea of us interwebz people negatively swaying a young man's opinion. Maybe Barzil is the best place to share serious concerns? Is that reasonable?
     
  18. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    There is room for critical discussion in the recruiting forum. Always has been, always will be.
     
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    I'm also going to add that we all have an interest in recruiting and may have a tendancy to have favorites over other recruits.

    We also may have our criticism of our coaches for various things.

    One thing I will say is that while some of us may have various criticisms of Greg Brown I would like to hear anyone explain a criticism of his ability to judge DB talent. I look at the guys who he has has influence on selecting and their success and I tend to think he has some idea of what he is doing. A perfect example is Greg Henderson on this years squad who was a little known, less noted 2* prospect who happened to be forced into action as a true freshman and quickly proved himself to be a solid PAC quality player.

    Until otherwise proven, I may comment on various recruits but if Greg Brown thinks they are worth an offer I am going to at least give the kid the benefit of a doubt.
     
  20. Burrito Palazzo

    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    So you're comfortable with potentially driving away recruits?
     
  21. White_Rabbit

    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    You're confusing me my man. Are you cool with legit criticism or not?

    Example:

    I posted that in Dominique Love's thread. I'd say it was critical and specific. Would that be acceptable to post?
     
  22. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    I am comfortable with honest discussion about prospects. If you want to blame anything that might be construed as negativity, so be it, but it is not going to prevent it. Recruiting is something that needs to be analyzed just like everything else. As ling as the criticism is reasonable and logical, it will not be taken down.
     
  23. Burrito Palazzo

    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    Do what you gotta do. But those kinds of comments can only drive a recruit away, not encourage him to consider us. If you want to retard the CU teams recruiting efforts, forge ahead. Do you really think you're a better judge of talent than our recruiting staff. If that's the case, you should be advocating for a coaching change rather than sabotaging recruiting efforts. I don't understand why you'd like to hurt recruiting for the sake of your opinion.
     
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    BP, if all anybody is allowed to post is sunshine, nothing anybody says is going to mean anything, even if it is genuine praise. I agree with you that we don't want people bashing recruits, and I think you have a good point that people should have reasonable criticisms to make and not just "he sucks" (not saying that's what you said, WR). That would already be against our policy, by the way.

    I have a feeling that anybody who is going to be driven away from CU by a fan saying "I'm not impressed" is probably not going to last very long with Coach Embree or Coach Bieniemy in the first place... :lol:
     
  25. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    If you want to avoid having to make any definitive judgements on recruiting, just say so. Same goes for anything in the program. After all, we can just defer to the coaches on everything.
     
  26. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Yes, we are.

    We're fine with someone watching film and commenting that the prospect plays too high or seems to have tight hips or doesn't catch with his hands or doesn't seem very fast or locks onto his primary receiver or has bad mechanics/technique or lacks ideal size or isn't a big hitter or lacks ball skills. We're fine with questioning the level of competition, especially if the prospect looks good but not dominant. We're fine with questioning a light offer list when we get this late in the process. We're fine with expressing concerns over star rating (sometimes justified if the guy's been in the databases for a while and been thoroughly scouted).

    If a prospect can't handle reading that kind of stuff, he's not mentally tough enough. We should be able to debate these types of things and we'd be better off without the types of players who can't handle it. They'll never be able to deal with the level of scrutiny at this level.

    What we're not fine with is personal attacks on recruits or posts that totally rip on a prospect and/or the coach who is recruiting him. We're also not fine with anyone being so enamored with his own amateur ability to rate a prospect that he's unable to admit that he's not the final word on a kid... especially if he can't appreciate the prospect being interested in the Buffs or committing to play for us and be part of the family.
     
  27. Burrito Palazzo

    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    Alright, but if someone posts a critique with no substance, which is why this discussion started, I will be a bitch. I am, after all, the dick of hope.
     
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  28. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    That's what I'm counting on. :smile2:

    If someone wants to have an opinion, there should be some substance to it.
     
  29. Burrito Palazzo

    Burrito Palazzo huff my smug Club Member

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    None of those things we're discussed by the comment that started this discussion. Can we move this to the island?
     
  30. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I think BB is going to move this discussion to its own thread in this forum.
     

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