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Woelk: Tough Schedule Double-Edged Sword for CU

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Scotch, Sep 12, 2007.

  1. Scotch

    Scotch Registered User Club Member Junta Member

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    He makes all the same old pros/cons on this topic. What does everyone else think?

    I like that we schedule these teams and all, but sometimes it does seem a bit much. One tough game a year would be fine by me. And two would be fine from time to time.

    KU's schedule is ridiculous.
     
  2. SuperiorBuff

    SuperiorBuff Well-Known Member

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    I like it. 2-3 really tough games and a patsy. The tough games to see where we are on the national scale and it is fun to see CU blow out the 1 patsy on the schedule;however, we just aren't that good yet, the patsy makes us nervous and the tough games are ugly. We'll get there.
     
  3. JimmyBuff

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    Not sure playing a tough nonconference schedule really helps recruiting.. Everyone is on TV these days..


    I rather play one tough nonconference game, CSU, Mountain West/WAC opponent and then some cupcake.. I think CU's schedule was too tough at times and I think it has hurt our program the past 5 years rather than helped..
     
  4. 66BUFF

    66BUFF FTW Club Member

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    everyone except the mountain west :lol::lol:

    nice contract they signed :thumbsup:
     
  5. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    In a perfect world, I'd play four increasingly difficult games per year in the OOC. Start with a pushover directional school, then CSU, then a middle of the road BCS school, then a top 20 team from the Big 10, ACC, or SEC.
     
  6. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    I've said this many many times.

    The Buffs overschedule. Always have, and most likely always will. As a result, it will be incredibly rare for the Buffs to leave the non-conference schedule unblemished.

    The Big 12 conference schedule is tough. This year, the Buffs will play Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas Texas Tech, KSU and Kansas -- all of which will likely go to bowl games. Six bowl teams in 8 conference games.
     
  7. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    I tend to lean more along these lines as I've always liked the tough and attractive schedules we play. The problem with this is that the non-conference schedules are made years in advance, so what may look like 2 marquee games right now could turn out to 2 games against struggling programs in a few years, or vice versa.
     
  8. LincolnBuff

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    I'm all for playing tough OOC's but i would like to see MB lighten it up a bit. Along with CSU I would like a big name team and 2 lesser opponents. I think this year's OOC is pretty tough, especially for a young team.
     
  9. SuperiorBuff

    SuperiorBuff Well-Known Member

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    Oh yeah, get rid of the CSU game.
     
  10. JJBuff

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    Next year we have WVU, FSU, and Texas 3 weeks in a row. I love the tough schedule but that could be brutal. :wow:
     
  11. DBT

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    If I remember correctly, Mac is the one who got CU rolling with the tough OOC schedule. He did it to make CU more attractive to premier recruits. It worked for him.
     
  12. JimmyBuff

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    Mac didn't have Pete Carroll at USC, Les Miles at LSU and Mack Brown at Texas either.. Tough to recruit when you have Top 5-10 coaches/recruiters at those elite programs..
     
  13. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    Lets not forget that when Bill McCartney's teams finally got going - Oklahoma and Oklahoma State (two teams McCartney hadn't beaten) went on near death-penalty probation.
     
  14. Wyo Buff

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    I think the Big12 changed the dynamics. We used to schedule a good Big 10 team (Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota), play one or both Texas, Texas A&M and/or Baylor, and then schedule a regional team (CSU, Wyoming). I think it makes more sense now that we have the good Texas schools in the Big 12 to schedule a midmajor like CSU, work in a patsy D-1 school (no more 1AA's PLEASE), and then schedule a decent but not great Big 10 or Pac 10 school. Face it, the Big 12 South has plenty of great football schools for us and there is no need to get too beat up prior to our conference schedule.
     
  15. Mick Ronson

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    i like a non-patsy (KU this year, Tech 2 years ago) OOC schedule. But i think some forethought is certainly advisable. Mac's schedules and high profile intersectional games got CU on TV which was very important in the days of limited broadcasts--for recruiting and national exposure and building CU's rep. now, being on national games is important too....but i think the 1 big boy, 1-2 mid BCS type team, and 1-2 mid-major (possibly regional) game is the way to go.

    i'd also like to see the Texas/OU rotation give us a home game the years we travel to Lincoln.

    i find the 12th game a bit disappointing since it's basically become a means for home teams to pad the revenue with a patsy home games. 2 or 3 years ago NU didn't play a game anywhere but Lincoln until the first week in October. that's lame.
     
  16. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    I'm curious as to why everyone is so against this.

    The object of the game is to win. What has CU gained by playing all these powerhouse teams the past five years?

    Please explain how blowout losses to USC, Miami, Florida State, Arizona State, Washington State, etc. have benefited the CU football program. And please don't tell me that we have been on national television or that big time recruits have committed to the Buffs because of the national television games because those two reasons are LAME. CU doesn't get a dime of the television revenue from road losses at USC, Miami, Georgia, Florida State, Arizona State, etc. And our recruiting certainly hasn't improvde as a result of the high profile games.

    I understand and appreciate that the majority of CU fans like to watch the Buffs lose to high quality opponents more than they enjoy watching the Buffs beat little sisters of the poor.

    But in the end-- the W is what it is all about. Whether the W comes against USC or against Louisiana Tech- it is still a W, and at the end of the year the bowl committees want "W's", they don't really care who they came against. (i.e. the fact the OU will have beaten North Texas, Tulsa and Utah State will not act as a penalty to the Sooners should they be 13-0 at the conclusion of the regular season)
     
  17. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    Those were good times....(sigh)...good times.
     
  18. Mick Ronson

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    my point about television games was that in the late 80's-early 90's there were fewer games on and scheduling intersectional games with good teams helped Mac and CU build a national profile....and most certainly allowed CU to recruit more nationally than it had under previous coaches.
     
  19. TriCityBuff

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    I prefer a decent mid-major first. Not a complete pushover as that really doesn't show what our team can do. After that a tougher BCS school followed by a good showdown. Then another decent midmajor or lower BCS school before conference games kick in to give our guys a rest.

    When our team becomes elite again then we can schedule tougher games but what's the point? If you lose two of your OOC games you pretty much stand no chance of getting into the NC. That's why I hate the BCS. I want a playoff so bad. It would make conference play all the more competative.
     
  20. The Monk

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    I like it, at the current state of the program every game is tough regardless, but I would rather schedule like we are a dominant top 20 team then a mid level bcs team. If we started scheduling purely mid majors and Dukes it would seem like an admission to me that the program will never come near it's height again. I imagine our early 2000 teams would be dominating the ooc schedule we have this year and no one would be complaining.
     
  21. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    The 2002 team lost to USC 40-3.
    The 2003 team lost to Florida State 47-3.


    This football program will never return to an elite level as long as we continue to overschedule. It is time to come to grips with the fact that- with the current scheduling philosophy, CU is a 7-5 type football team.
     
  22. Crash Davis

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    HUH???!?!?!?!?!?! "Dominant" Top 20 teams schedule patsies ALL THE TIME. Look at OU's and Texas' schedules this year. OU had Miami and 3 patsies. Texas has TCU and 3 patsies. I don't want to see CU play 4 patsies either but we're killing ourselves with the kind of schedule we have this year.
     
  23. 92Buff

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    I don't want any of your winefest, but check your scores. I was at FSU and I do remember Bloom peeling off a nice long run against those boys. Pull off your pessimist glasses and give us credit for that touchdown will ya...:smile2:

    Other that that, I can only say :sucks:
     
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  24. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    My apologies, the 2003 FSU game ended in a score of 47-7.
     
  25. BUFFSROCKS

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    I agree this topic sucks.
     
  26. 92Buff

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    ...but your right...we got our arses kicked. A typical road occurrence during Barnett's tenure - something I hope we see end in the near future.
     
  27. IDBUFF

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    This is like the question "when did you stop beating your wife?"

    If you play an easy schedule with on big OOC game and you lose, you are hosed for the big time and you can't lose anything in conference. This is how Boise State schedules. They lost to UW so forget about even a chance at the big time. 2 years ago a horrible loss to the Bdogs and your done. With a touger schedule you get strength of schedule but risk injuries and disgrace at the national level. For example - who cares about Mich ND this weekend - great schedules and but sliding programs and a "who cares" game.

    Scheduling is like economics - it is a dismal science .....unless you just beat everyone
     
  28. TriCityBuff

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    Scheduling a bunch of tough OOC games just doesn't do any good. If you are trying to be the NC then you can do it without all those tough games. You can only lose one game basically in order to make it to the NC (OOC or CG). So why take on two or three really tough OOC games and get beat in one or two of them and blow your chances. We already got a touch conference schedule with OU and the Fuskers.
     
  29. The Monk

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    What about the 2001 team? But yes our early 2000 teams would probably be faring pretty well with this years and last years schedule. If you're afraid of an occasional blowout or heartbreaking loss, you should probably find a different sport to follow.

    Well I guess then the solution is to move into Iaa. Who we play is independent of how good we are, CU is a 7-5 team when it's a 7-5 team. What's the point of an inflated record? Are you a closet Notre Dame fan, do you enjoy getting into bowls you don't deserve and getting destroyed in them?

    No it's the mentality of a top 20 team as we believe we can beat all we schedule. Why be afraid?

    I'm not saying we schedule the top 4 every year, but the system we got going here is pretty damn awesome. If it doesn't suit you there's a team in Lincoln you're more then welcome to become a fan of, since you guys already seem to be on the save wavelength when it comes to scheduling.

    Also for whoever posted the 'dismal science' tidbit, the name actually originates from economist being the only group of academics to be against the current norms of slavery and was used as a put down by the pro slavery groups against them, not because economics is dismal(unless you're pro slavery, then touche). The 'economics' of scheduling is a lot more contrarian then it looks.
     
  30. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    The current system is pretty damn awesome if you enjoy losing at least 2 non-conference games every year.

    And thank you for offering to allow me to become a fan of another team. I didn't realize I could do that. I guess I could become a fan of Oklahoma, since they are perennially in the national championship hunt, and this is their non-conference schedule:
    North Texas
    Miami
    Utah State
    Tulsa

    or Texas:
    Arkansas State
    TCU
    UCF
    Rice

    or West Virgnia:
    Western Michigan
    Marshall
    Maryland
    East Carolina

    or Ohio State:
    Youngstown State
    Akron
    Washington
    Kent State

    or LSU:
    Virginia Tech
    Middle Tennessee State
    Tulane
    Louisiana Tech

    or
     

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