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Alex Lewis transferring to Neb

nolabuff said:
All true, but the DP says that the police report mentions that Lewis was not wearing Nebraska gear. Kind of throws one of the main points of his lawyer's argument out the window.
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Right. The Lewis angle is CU-Boulder became unsafe for him because he was wearing NU gear. And it turns out to be a fabrication verified by the police report. So he went out of his way to make the university and Boulder community look bad.

This lawyer is a piece of work. He drops this quote:

"My client didn't do anything but shove a fellow," Brenner said. "I don't feel there is enough evidence to go forward and convict my client"

Shoving a someone into a wall until they bleed from the head and are knocked unconscious isn't a big deal to this guy. This will not end well if they plead not guilty.
 
Skidmark said:
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Looks like they may be transferring to Syracuse
 
nolabuff said:
All true, but the DP says that the police report mentions that Lewis was not wearing Nebraska gear. Kind of throws one of the main points of his lawyer's argument out the window.
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Yup, Lewis reportedly wearing a blue and white checkered shirt and a gray button-up. Next defense.
 
Gold said:
Right. The Lewis angle is CU-Boulder became unsafe for him because he was wearing NU gear. And it turns out to be a fabrication verified by the police report. So he went out of his way to make the university and Boulder community look bad.

This lawyer is a piece of work. He drops this quote:

"My client didn't do anything but shove a fellow," Brenner said. "I don't feel there is enough evidence to go forward and convict my client"

Shoving a someone into a wall until they bleed from the head and are knocked unconscious isn't a big deal to this guy. This will not end well if they plead not guilty.
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His lawyer's right. It will be difficult to get a conviction if every witness was ****faced. Unless some stray surveillance video shows up, the only evidence will be the testimony of 4 (or more) drunks. Throw in the fact that the cadet's companion didn't call 911 and I don't see a strong case for prosecution. We can anticipate some sort of misdemeanor plea with deferred prosecution/sentence.
 
BuffsNYC said:
His lawyer's right. It will be difficult to get a conviction if every witness was ****faced. Unless some stray surveillance video shows up, the only evidence will be the testimony of 4 (or more) drunks. Throw in the fact that the cadet's companion didn't call 911 and I don't see a strong case for prosecution. We can anticipate some sort of misdemeanor plea with deferred prosecution/sentence.
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I think you might be forgetting about the guy that was taken to the hospital, and the doctor's reports that will arise from his medical treatment. If he had walked away and/or refused medical treatment, you could be right. But he didn't. This will not go well for them if they fight it.
 
skibum said:
I think you might be forgetting about the guy that was taken to the hospital, and the doctor's reports that will arise from his medical treatment. If he had walked away and/or refused medical treatment, you could be right. But he didn't. This will not go well for them if they fight it.
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People have been convicted of more serious charges with a lot less than what they have here.

I do think that the eventual end game will be a plea bargain to a misdemeanor, the posturing right now is just to try to influence the level of the final charges and the severity of the sentence.

Lewis risk way to much putting this front of a jury. With the medical evidence added in the testimony of a bunch of drunks starts looking more plausable. Then you take a 250 pound defendant and a sub 200 pound victim and it's hard for a jury to start feeling sorry for him.

This will end badly for Lewis either way but risking a felony record and some jail time versus pleading to a lesser charge and probation will make the decision.
 
According to 7News, CUD rolled up in a car, got out, and told Webb and AL to get in. Not sure when this happened though (late in the fight or before it started)
 
Darth Snow said:
nothing wrong with that, but sucks he is getting dragged into this.
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Exactly. All I'm seeing with that is a senior showing leadership by trying to get his teammates away from a bad situation.

It's not like he was the driver of OJ's white Bronco here. :lol:
 
Buffnik said:
Exactly. All I'm seeing with that is a senior showing leadership by trying to get his teammates away from a bad situation.

It's not like he was the driver of OJ's white Bronco here. :lol:
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That was his accountability group.
 
MtnBuff said:
People have been convicted of more serious charges with a lot less than what they have here.

I do think that the eventual end game will be a plea bargain to a misdemeanor, the posturing right now is just to try to influence the level of the final charges and the severity of the sentence.

Lewis risk way to much putting this front of a jury. With the medical evidence added in the testimony of a bunch of drunks starts looking more plausable. Then you take a 250 pound defendant and a sub 200 pound victim and it's hard for a jury to start feeling sorry for him.

This will end badly for Lewis either way but risking a felony record and some jail time versus pleading to a lesser charge and probation will make the decision.
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Plus, he's always got that stupid look on his face.

Semper Gumby
 
Burrito Palazzo said:
Plus, he's always got that stupid look on his face.

Semper Gumby
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It's funny you say that. During games, and practices, I (used to) always say, "I can't look at him. It only makes me angry."

Lewis was a player on a team for which I root, and I couldn't look at him without being annoyed. He stands no chance in front of a jury.
 
BuffsNYC said:
His lawyer's right. It will be difficult to get a conviction if every witness was ****faced. Unless some stray surveillance video shows up, the only evidence will be the testimony of 4 (or more) drunks. Throw in the fact that the cadet's companion didn't call 911 and I don't see a strong case for prosecution. We can anticipate some sort of misdemeanor plea with deferred prosecution/sentence.
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No. Wrong.

The fact that the cadet's companion did not call 911 is not germaine to the case. She is a friend, not an expert in medicine I presume.

The DA won't be considering pleas anytime soon. Lewis has already gone on record as having a gazillion drinks and Webb was evidently so ****faced, he was incoherent. Hope the blood tests are checking T levels.
 
Thinking about the flipside of this is fun. Imagine the exact same scenario plays down in Lincoln with a player that decided the day before to transfer to CU. The guy would probably be headed for death row.
 
buffaholic said:
No. Wrong.

The fact that the cadet's companion did not call 911 is not germaine to the case. She is a friend, not an expert in medicine I presume.

The DA won't be considering pleas anytime soon. Lewis has already gone on record as having a gazillion drinks and Webb was evidently so ****faced, he was incoherent. Hope the blood tests are checking T levels.
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When someone is smashing your date's head into a brick wall, you call the cops, whether you have medical training or not. I (and any competent defense attorney) can suggest a few reasons why someone wouldn't call the cops, i.e. witness was too drunk (thus too drunk to be a reliable witness), witness thought her date was to blame for the fight and didn't want him to get in trouble, incident was not worth reporting since it was only pushing and shoving, etc. ad infinitum.

All I'm saying is that a prosecutor needs evidence to convict someone. Testimony of people who were drunk at the time is not viewed as reliable evidence by juries and it's also easy for a lawyer to leverage that drunkenness into a whiff of immorality. So, unless there's video; a sober, uninvolved witness; or the cadet's injuries are such that a medical expert can testify that they could not have been caused by a push and subsequent fall, then it's not a good case for prosecution.
 
BuffsNYC said:
When someone is smashing your date's head into a brick wall, you call the cops, whether you have medical training or not. I (and any competent defense attorney) can suggest a few reasons why someone wouldn't call the cops, i.e. witness was too drunk (thus too drunk to be a reliable witness), witness thought her date was to blame for the fight and didn't want him to get in trouble, incident was not worth reporting since it was only pushing and shoving, etc. ad infinitum.

All I'm saying is that a prosecutor needs evidence to convict someone. Testimony of people who were drunk at the time is not viewed as reliable evidence by juries and it's also easy for a lawyer to leverage that drunkenness into a whiff of immorality. So, unless there's video; a sober, uninvolved witness; or the cadet's injuries are such that a medical expert can testify that they could not have been caused by a push and subsequent fall, then it's not a good case for prosecution.
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--Didn't have a phone.

--Panicked.

--Nobody knows how they will behave when terrified.

--Attempting to break up the fight.
 
BuffsNYC said:
When someone is smashing your date's head into a brick wall, you call the cops, whether you have medical training or not. I (and any competent defense attorney) can suggest a few reasons why someone wouldn't call the cops, i.e. witness was too drunk (thus too drunk to be a reliable witness), witness thought her date was to blame for the fight and didn't want him to get in trouble, incident was not worth reporting since it was only pushing and shoving, etc. ad infinitum.

All I'm saying is that a prosecutor needs evidence to convict someone. Testimony of people who were drunk at the time is not viewed as reliable evidence by juries and it's also easy for a lawyer to leverage that drunkenness into a whiff of immorality. So, unless there's video; a sober, uninvolved witness; or the cadet's injuries are such that a medical expert can testify that they could not have been caused by a push and subsequent fall, then it's not a good case for prosecution.
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Well, you sound like a bleeding heart defense attorney. The fact of the matter is this case is likely to plead out for all the reasons other cases plead out. It saves everyone the resources involved in prosecuting these stupid and mindless and arguably minor crimes.

Depending on the injuries to the victim, Lewis may be lucky here and get off with a misdemeanor. But, if there are broken bones, organ damage, etc., Lewis could be in some major trouble.
 
BuffsNYC said:
When someone is smashing your date's head into a brick wall, you call the cops, whether you have medical training or not. I (and any competent defense attorney) can suggest a few reasons why someone wouldn't call the cops, i.e. witness was too drunk (thus too drunk to be a reliable witness), witness thought her date was to blame for the fight and didn't want him to get in trouble, incident was not worth reporting since it was only pushing and shoving, etc. ad infinitum.

All I'm saying is that a prosecutor needs evidence to convict someone. Testimony of people who were drunk at the time is not viewed as reliable evidence by juries and it's also easy for a lawyer to leverage that drunkenness into a whiff of immorality. So, unless there's video; a sober, uninvolved witness; or the cadet's injuries are such that a medical expert can testify that they could not have been caused by a push and subsequent fall, then it's not a good case for prosecution.
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I'm not sure I would want to risk a felony conviction on this line of reasoning. A jury is going to look at a big guy and look at the littler guy and the medical pictures and Lewis is going to have to go a long way to convince the jury that it was anything other than a crime. Parade the victim out there in his uniform looking like a victim next to the "giant" football player. People do believe drunk people in courts, especially if there are multiple witnesses who somewhat agree with each other and who agree with physical evidence.

If Lewis's lawyer is smart he will try for the best plea he can get and take it.

He might be able to push it and get a not guilty verdict but the consequences are to big if he fails and the chances of failure are to high. What he should be shooting for is no felony and no jail time. Probation and a misdemeaner would be a good outcome for Lewis at this point.
 
BuffsNYC said:
When someone is smashing your date's head into a brick wall, you call the cops, whether you have medical training or not. I (and any competent defense attorney) can suggest a few reasons why someone wouldn't call the cops, i.e. witness was too drunk (thus too drunk to be a reliable witness), witness thought her date was to blame for the fight and didn't want him to get in trouble, incident was not worth reporting since it was only pushing and shoving, etc. ad infinitum.

All I'm saying is that a prosecutor needs evidence to convict someone. Testimony of people who were drunk at the time is not viewed as reliable evidence by juries and it's also easy for a lawyer to leverage that drunkenness into a whiff of immorality. So, unless there's video; a sober, uninvolved witness; or the cadet's injuries are such that a medical expert can testify that they could not have been caused by a push and subsequent fall, then it's not a good case for prosecution.
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If Lewis is your client, you would advise letting this go to court in front of a jury?
 
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