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Future of football series vs CSU
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CU wasn't good enough to compete for a National Championship in 2005 and 2006.
Ok, I'll agree that A&M isn't Alabama, but they aren't Wake Forest or Kansas either.
BuffNut99
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A&M has been to 20 bowl games since 1989 and the discussion point was possibly scheduling two teams ranked at times in the top 10 last year, possibly in the same season - I believe you are taking posts out of context to make the narrative fit your theme (CU fans are afraid to play tough competition).
This I agree with.
in with TCU and A&M to p12 before Sacky says no!
And the Buffs have been less than Mediocre for a decade. We've lost more games in 10 years than they have in 20!
Conventional wisdom I've seen from SEC followers regarding Texas A&M is that despite the recruiting grounds and the mega-spending on facilities, if they couldn't win the West with Johnny Manziel at QB then they'll never be good enough to win it.
And? Are you adding anything to the discussion?
This.
Deleted member 807
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We had no idea during Hawkins years 1 and 2 that the program would plummet to the depths it did. We'd have been no worse off scheduling P5 games instead of the FCS teams over the last 8 years. We might as well learn from the past and stop scheduling below the level of our desired brand equity. If we want to be in the same discussion as Sacramento State, you play Sacramento State. Time for CU to aim higher.
The main point is that all the fuss over easy non-con scheduling did nothing to help pull CU out of its nose dive.
In the end, strong admin support and good coaching is infinitely more important than stupid cosmetic debates about OOC schedules and uniforms.
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Outside of two very good seasons under RC Slocum and two very good seasons with Manziel, A&M has been a pretty average P5 team. There are a lot of P5 bowl teams every year which are mostly mediocre. If we are playing one of those teams every year and maybe adding in another above average team, I still do not see what all the handwringing is about.
Deleted member 807
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A&M is basically Utah.
I wanna be like Alabama, how do they schedule?
The entire SEC and Big 10 play 8-9 P5 opponents per year. The other 3-4 games for them are filled with the likes of Western/Eastern Kentucky, Austin Peay, UT Martin, Louisiana Tech, Middle Tennessee State, etc. Go talk to the SEC about their "pussy" non-con schedules and they'll point to their 7 straight National Championships and how having a weak OOC schedule affected them.
Saban is pushing for a nine-game conference schedule and Bama is playing at Jerry World the next two seasons against Wisconsin and USC respectively. You can bet they will be adding similar games going forward.
Here are the OOC schedules for the 4 playoff participants from last year:
Alabama: Wisconsin, Middle TN St, UL Monroe, Charleston Southern
Oregon: Michigan St, EWU, Georgia St
FSU: Florida, Texas St, South Florida, Chattanooga
OSU: Va Tech, Hawaii, Northern Illinois, Western Michigan
Baylor and TCU had the biggest beefs about being left out, here were their schedules:
Baylor: SMU, Northwestern St, Buffalo
TCU: Minnesota, SMU, Samford
But remember, we should schedule 2 P5 in the OOC, 'cause CU!
OK, go check out Oregon and Ohio State's OOC schedules from last year. Each had only 1 P5 opponent. Some of you guys point to the 2:1 model with CSU as how big time programs should be doing it against G5 programs, yet fail to realize that you're arguing for CU to do something in scheduling that most big time programs never do.
Yeah those are 2015's schedules
2014:
Bama: West Virginia, Southern Miss, Florida Atlantic
FSU: Oklahoma State, The Citadel, ND, Florida
Oregon: South Dakota, Mich St, Wyoming
Ohio State: Navy, Va Tech, Kent State
Deleted member 807
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Mainly during ESPN's prime TV time slots in front of a sold out stadium.
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I realized as I was walking out the door I may have posted 2015 vice 2014. TScheck - thanks for the corrected schedules.
So:
Bama played 9 P5 in 2014 and 9 in 2015, including conference play
Oregon plays 10 P5 in both years
FSU played 11 in 2014 and 9 in 2015
OSU played 9 in both years
Point remains. There is no reason CU should be rushing to schedule 11 P5 schools a year.
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I do not think it is even a necessity to play two P5 in the non-conference schedule, but do not think is really bad for the program either. From 2012-2018, we will have not played a single P5 team at home in the non-conference schedule. That is garbage.
Hard to argue with that.
I want an A-B-C schedule going forward.
A = good P5 program
B = poor P5 program or good G5 program
C = poor G5 program
We've been doing a lot of B-B-C on down to C-C-C in the years when the Rams were horrible.
While I don't think CU should have to sell tickets through the quality of its opponent, never giving the fans anything takes a toll.
jobuff
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Not to be picky but the 2012 Cal game was technically a non-conference game and had been previously scheduled before the conference move (someone correct me if i am wrong). Either way I do agree with you that is garbage.
jobuff
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Never mind that was 2011. My mistake.