CU Coaching Discussion

[ahoelsken]

Agree with most of this, but would you rather have Mac or Les Miles? What if Sumlin became available from A&M? I'm not there yet about Mac, but recruiting has always made me nervous about him. It needs to be consistently better for program to take next step.

BTW, F Butch Jones, he needs not ever be an option again!

He wasn't an option the minute he asked for that damn food cart to hide his ass on the way out five years ago

 

[Sykobuff]

Call me a troll blah blah blah. We are horrible and it is 100% on him

 

[ahoelsken]

1) The ReTread strategy - getting someone who failed somewhere else. i.e., Charlie Strong, post A&M Sumlin, Bob Stoops, Chuck Fairbanks
Risk: no more fire left in the belly. Best years are behind

2) The Fallen strategy - someone who got cross-wise with the law/NCAA
e.g., Pitino, Tressel, Briles
Risk: Boulder morality police non-starter

3) The Poach - moneywipping a good HC coach into Boulder. (e.g., Gundy, Patterson, Peterson).
Risk: CU's war chest not enriched by super sized network contract, 100K stadium attendance, whale benefactor, fan donor culture)

4) The Development - Grabbing an up-and-coming OC or DC. e.g. McCartney coming from Michigan or Bobo coming to CSU from UGA). Risk: Not ready to make the jump. Use CU as stepping stone.

5) The Promotion - Grabbing an up-and-comer from an FCS/P5 program. MacIntyre, Hawkins.
Risk: Not blue-blood. Recruiting dud.

6) The family tree - Promiting assistant, former assistant, player. e.g. Barnett, Neuhiesel, Embree, Chiaverini. Risk - Comfort at first, but drama that fractures fanbase when things go wrong.

CU is pretty much a 4-6 school.

I don't think anything happens this year. I've said that if this team doesn't get to a bowl or gets to 5-7 and gets in via APR..........he goes back on the hot seat and all the goodwill he got for last year is gone......and we should have a departure from a Brian Lindgren type of assistant. As far as #4, the guy I'm a fan of and would do really well here or anywhere in this league is Pete Kwiatkowski from UW. Dude can coach defense.

 

[Go Buffs]

i nominate the original poster as the recipient of the "Nut Punch of the Week."

others deserving of a swift jab to the nads worked hard, but slider earned his crushed testes this week.

 

[4BienemyTDs]

I got tired of reading every post, so if I repeat something, I am so sorry, but:

I like the idea that MAC is the Defensive Coordinator. If he did that, he could pay everyone better and focus on hiring young and energetic assistants that can recruit better. Also, he should turn the offense completely over to Coach Chiv and demote or let Lindgren go.

I have made the point over and over that MM has one fatal flaw and it can affect recruiting pretty bad. He favors upperclassmen and somewhat tries to demean the younger players to stay in their lane and learn from the older guys. Recruiting is designed to find better players that can immediately challenge or beat out the older guys. If players know that is the way he treats younger guys, they will not come to be subject to that type of prioritization. He uses that to build a program because he has always been used to being successful with 4th year or 5th year seniors. Well, that did help us win 10 games and it was necessary to build that group, and that story was awesome, BUT, now you are wanting to be a fixture at the top of the PAC 12 South, so maybe young talented players that we recruit can beat out an existing older player. I have seen many of these new young guys absolutely flash in front of our eyes, and then they mysteriously have less playing time. Sorry, but until he fixes that, he is a good small school coach, and a middle of the road P5 coach, but not a championship coach.

I am not a football coach, but I have coached other high level sports. It is very hard to play a younger player ahead of an older one that you have made a longer deeper relationship, but it is big boys football, "This is not Intramurals Brother"

 

[FightCu1414]

I got tired of reading every post, so if I repeat something, I am so sorry, but:

I like the idea that MAC is the Defensive Coordinator. If he did that, he could pay everyone better and focus on hiring young and energetic assistants that can recruit better. Also, he should turn the offense completely over to Coach Chiv and demote or let Lindgren go.

I have made the point over and over that MM has one fatal flaw and it can affect recruiting pretty bad. He favors upperclassmen and somewhat tries to demean the younger players to stay in their lane and learn from the older guys. Recruiting is designed to find better players that can immediately challenge or beat out the older guys. If players know that is the way he treats younger guys, they will not come to be subject to that type of prioritization. He uses that to build a program because he has always been used to being successful with 4th year or 5th year seniors. Well, that did help us win 10 games and it was necessary to build that group, and that story was awesome, BUT, now you are wanting to be a fixture at the top of the PAC 12 South, so maybe young talented players that we recruit can beat out an existing older player. I have seen many of these new young guys absolutely flash in front of our eyes, and then they mysteriously have less playing time. Sorry, but until he fixes that, he is a good small school coach, and a middle of the road P5 coach, but not a championship coach.

I am not a football coach, but I have coached other high level sports. It is very hard to play a younger player ahead of an older one that you have made a longer deeper relationship, but it is big boys football, "This is not Intramurals Brother"

I disagree with this just from what I've heard, especially on offense. Chev seemed to favor the younger guys and Mac kinda stays out of the way on the offensive side of the ball. What leaves me puzzled is not seeing KD or Laviska playing, but hard to argue with the experience we have at WR. It's beneficial for offensive lineman to redshirt and Lindsay is Lindsay.

 

[4BienemyTDs]

I disagree with this just from what I've heard, especially on offense. Chev seemed to favor the younger guys and Mac kinda stays out of the way on the offensive side of the ball. What leaves me puzzled is not seeing KD or Laviska playing, but hard to argue with the experience we have at WR. It's beneficial for offensive lineman to redshirt and Lindsay is Lindsay.

If the Senior leaders were only concerned about winning, then why aren't the Blackout Boyz playing special teams? Something that was lost in the mix last year was how many stud seniors on the defense also played special teams! (Drew Lewis plays ST right now and he is the second best defender on the field and is more important than every WR we have) I did not think it was that ideal because they had to be pretty dog tired after the games, but damn, they cared. Lindsay played last year on kickoff returns and would have done it this year had the coaches not stopped him. At this point, if Bobo is a pass catching machine, then give him 60% of the balls. It feels like Montez is trying too hard to spread it around and cannot yet make that many reads. I believe that next years receiving corps may be much better than this years!!!
Winfree
Ento
Shenault
Nixon
J-Mac
Walker
possibly one of the Freshman.
They will be hungrier, taller, faster, and probably more dynamic. They will also not overshadow Montez.

 

[BlackNGold]

I got tired of reading every post, so if I repeat something, I am so sorry, but:

I like the idea that MAC is the Defensive Coordinator. If he did that, he could pay everyone better and focus on hiring young and energetic assistants that can recruit better. Also, he should turn the offense completely over to Coach Chiv and demote or let Lindgren go.

I have made the point over and over that MM has one fatal flaw and it can affect recruiting pretty bad. He favors upperclassmen and somewhat tries to demean the younger players to stay in their lane and learn from the older guys. Recruiting is designed to find better players that can immediately challenge or beat out the older guys. If players know that is the way he treats younger guys, they will not come to be subject to that type of prioritization. He uses that to build a program because he has always been used to being successful with 4th year or 5th year seniors. Well, that did help us win 10 games and it was necessary to build that group, and that story was awesome, BUT, now you are wanting to be a fixture at the top of the PAC 12 South, so maybe young talented players that we recruit can beat out an existing older player. I have seen many of these new young guys absolutely flash in front of our eyes, and then they mysteriously have less playing time. Sorry, but until he fixes that, he is a good small school coach, and a middle of the road P5 coach, but not a championship coach.

I am not a football coach, but I have coached other high level sports. It is very hard to play a younger player ahead of an older one that you have made a longer deeper relationship, but it is big boys football, "This is not Intramurals Brother"

1. If MacIntyre moves to DC then who becomes Head Coach?
2. MacIntyre may have a fatal flaw but that is not it. I don't see any trend or data where he favors upperclassmen over a talented underclassmen. Guys like Awuzie and Gilliam played from the start.

 

[AeroBuff99]

I disagree with this just from what I've heard, especially on offense. Chev seemed to favor the younger guys and Mac kinda stays out of the way on the offensive side of the ball. What leaves me puzzled is not seeing KD or Laviska playing, but hard to argue with the experience we have at WR. It's beneficial for offensive lineman to redshirt and Lindsay is Lindsay.

Young receivers don't play offense because they either 1. don't know the offense well enough yet or 2. haven't developed into good blockers yet. You can put young receivers on special teams where the assignments are much simpler, but having them as regular participants on offense could be a major liability if they haven't taken care of 1 or 2 above. Bobo will play on Sundays because he is big and can catch and block. JayMac plays because he runs crisp routes and catches the ball. Fields seems to have regressed but still provides a deep threat. He and Montez need to get on the same page ASAP and he needs to catch the close ones.

 

[BlackNGold]

McIntyre is not going anywhere - so if you don't like it you are stuck until 2020 at least.

The issues that were present initially in his tenure are still here - lack of emphasis on recruiting, questionable hiring, etc. My question is why does anyone expect the situation to change going forward.

 

[leftybuff]

My question is why does anyone expect the situation to change going forward.

I don't.

 

[vinniew_11]

McIntyre is not going anywhere - so if you don't like it you are stuck until 2020 at least.

The issues that were present initially in his tenure are still here - lack of emphasis on recruiting, questionable hiring, etc. My question is why does anyone expect the situation to change going forward.

I honestly don’t think it’s a lack of emphasizing recruiting. It’s hard to change the perception of years of craptitude that recruits have of CU. It’s been said time and time again, it’s going to take a long time for that perception to change. Not just one season. CU needs several winning seasons before there is a big bump, regardless of what people think should happen.

 

[Bear Fiend]

I honestly don’t think it’s a lack of emphasizing recruiting. It’s hard to change the perception of years of craptitude that recruits have of CU. It’s been said time and time again, it’s going to take a long time for that perception to change. Not just one season. CU needs several winning seasons before there is a big bump, regardless of what people think should happen.

Exactly, I'm tired of hearing this. Just because the big swinging dick 4 star recruits aren't lining up at the door doesn't mean the staff doesn't recognize the importance of recruiting. Maybe they just suck at it. Who knows.

 

[Buffnik]

McIntyre is not going anywhere - so if you don't like it you are stuck until 2020 at least.

The issues that were present initially in his tenure are still here - lack of emphasis on recruiting, questionable hiring, etc. My question is why does anyone expect the situation to change going forward.

Because I believe he is a professional who grows from what he learns. I don’t see him as a system guy or as someone who is set in his ways beyond values & standards. The current staff is better than his first staff. Configuration has changed, too. And he has been willing to change systems.

 

[Duff Man]

I honestly don’t think it’s a lack of emphasizing recruiting. It’s hard to change the perception of years of craptitude that recruits have of CU. It’s been said time and time again, it’s going to take a long time for that perception to change. Not just one season. CU needs several winning seasons before there is a big bump, regardless of what people think should happen.

That is giving way too much of a pass to the coaching staff. It does not/should not take upwards of five years to see a bump in recruiting. People really want to believe CU is such a special case (in a bad way) for no real reason other than they cannot/will not accept that there are likely some poor recruiters on this staff.

If you truly believe that recruiting cannot improve without years of winning records, how do you explain the clear and irrefutable bump we saw before last season even started?

 

[MtnBuff]

That is giving way too much of a pass to the coaching staff. It does not/should not take upwards of five years to see a bump in recruiting. People really want to believe CU is such a special case (in a bad way) for no real reason other than they cannot/will not accept that there are likely some poor recruiters on this staff.

If you truly believe that recruiting cannot improve without years of winning records, how do you explain the clear and irrefutable bump we saw before last season even started?

This ^ This ^ and This again.

Certainly there are many factors that influence recruiting but bottom line recruiting is selling. The salespeople who make the big sales are the one who put in the time and the effort and go after the big accounts.

We have some assistants who do not work at selling, we have some coaches who aim low using the excuse of "developmental players."

If you want better results you have to do better work. At this point our results don't indicate that is consistently happening.

 

[Buffnik]

That is giving way too much of a pass to the coaching staff. It does not/should not take upwards of five years to see a bump in recruiting. People really want to believe CU is such a special case (in a bad way) for no real reason other than they cannot/will not accept that there are likely some poor recruiters on this staff.

If you truly believe that recruiting cannot improve without years of winning records, how do you explain the clear and irrefutable bump we saw before last season even started?

We have seen a significant bump, though. 2017 class was several levels better than the 3 classes that preceded it and the 2018 class is a level or two better than 2014-2016. It's not where it needs to be, which I know as well as anyone, but it's better. This offseason, the priorities must be to a good recruiter for that 10th assistant and replace a couple guys I don't even need to name at this point. If that happens then I believe we're set up to consistently bring in Top 35 type classes for the next few years.

 

[BuffSurveyor]

We have seen a significant bump, though. 2017 class was several levels better than the 3 classes that preceded it and the 2018 class is a level or two better than 2014-2016. It's not where it needs to be, which I know as well as anyone, but it's better. This offseason, the priorities must be to a good recruiter for that 10th assistant and replace a couple guys I don't even need to name at this point. If that happens then I believe we're set up to consistently bring in Top 35 type classes for the next few years.

Per 247 Sports, CU's football rankings have stacked up like this since HCMM has been steering the ship:
2013: 68
2014: 74
2015: 69
2016: 69
2017: 35
2018: 42 to date, will be about 44ish based upon previous years avg. per player point averages using last years rankings.

Perhaps trending up, but the jury is still out if top 35 classes are in the mix in the next few years. The past says no. But who knows?

Really need to focus on top 20 classes to make real progress in the win/loss columns.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

Per 247 Sports, CU's football rankings have stacked up like this since HCMM has been steering the ship:
2013: 68
2014: 74
2015: 69
2016: 69
2017: 35
2018: 42 to date, will be about 44ish based upon previous years avg. per player point averages using last years rankings.

Perhaps trending up, but the jury is still out if top 35 classes are in the mix in the next few years. The past says no. But who knows?

Really need to focus on top 20 classes to make real progress in the win/loss columns.

Thanks, but we don’t care what you have to say k byeeee.

 

[Highlander]

Per 247 Sports, CU's football rankings have stacked up like this since HCMM has been steering the ship:
2013: 68
2014: 74
2015: 69
2016: 69
2017: 35
2018: 42 to date, will be about 44ish based upon previous years avg. per player point averages using last years rankings.

Perhaps trending up, but the jury is still out if top 35 classes are in the mix in the next few years. The past says no. But who knows?

Really need to focus on top 20 classes to make real progress in the win/loss columns.

This might be the first and only fact based Buff post you have ever contributed. Thanks?

 

[BuffaloB]

They currently are at 18 recruits.

1). How many do you think we take this class?
2). Any effects of early signing period on CU or others that may distort rankings now.

 

[SINKRATZ]

We have seen a significant bump, though. 2017 class was several levels better than the 3 classes that preceded it and the 2018 class is a level or two better than 2014-2016. It's not where it needs to be, which I know as well as anyone, but it's better. This offseason, the priorities must be to a good recruiter for that 10th assistant and replace a couple guys I don't even need to name at this point. If that happens then I believe we're set up to consistently bring in Top 35 type classes for the next few years.

I'm not ready to fire Mac, far from it, but I also don't think he gets until 2020 if last year turns into an outlier.

Recruiting better than the 2014-2016 classes in year 5 following a 10-win season, a coach of the year award, and brand new facilities isn't good enough.

 

[BuffsRising]

Per 247 Sports, CU's football rankings have stacked up like this since HCMM has been steering the ship:
2013: 68
2014: 74
2015: 69
2016: 69
2017: 35
2018: 42 to date, will be about 44ish based upon previous years avg. per player point averages using last years rankings.

Perhaps trending up, but the jury is still out if top 35 classes are in the mix in the next few years. The past says no. But who knows?

Really need to focus on top 20 classes to make real progress in the win/loss columns.

Why are you here?

 

[Mb2658]

Why are you here?

When Surveyor was a young impressionable Fusker, he witnessed the absolute 62-36 trashing that his Fuskers received at the hands of the of the Mighty Colorado Buffaloes. His Fuskers died that day and he began wandering the world as an orphan. With his dad out of the picture and his mom off sucking cock for meth, he began searching for a father figure. He watched the 2001 game over and over until he finally realized that the Buffaloes were the closest thing that he knew as a father. The Fusker cult brainwashing continued as he grew up. He had a few trips to prison for his meth and bestiality addiction. Now he struggles with his identity. He wants to be like his father (the Mighty Colorado Buffaloes) so he lurks, afraid to admit to himself that deep down, he loves the Buffs.

 

[Go Buffs]

Why are you here?

Here is why...

 

[BerkeleyBuff]

Per 247 Sports, CU's football rankings have stacked up like this since HCMM has been steering the ship:
2013: 68
2014: 74
2015: 69
2016: 69
2017: 35
2018: 42 to date, will be about 44ish based upon previous years avg. per player point averages using last years rankings.

Perhaps trending up, but the jury is still out if top 35 classes are in the mix in the next few years. The past says no. But who knows?

Really need to focus on top 20 classes to make real progress in the win/loss columns.

2013: 0
2014: 0
2015: 0
2016: 0
2017: 0
2018: 0

(CU's losses to Northern Illinois in that same time frame)

 

[cu62nu36]

"Perhaps trending up"

What? Are you a ****ing moron? 2017 is essentially twice as good as any of his previous classes. Just what constitutes a bounce in recruiting?

 

[jizzrag85]

Thank you for this

 

[ahoelsken]

1. If MacIntyre moves to DC then who becomes Head Coach?
2. MacIntyre may have a fatal flaw but that is not it. I don't see any trend or data where he favors upperclassmen over a talented underclassmen. Guys like Awuzie and Gilliam played from the start.

No change there. He'd call the defensive signals the way Pete Carroll did IIRC when he was at Southern Cal

 

[ahoelsken]

Per 247 Sports, CU's football rankings have stacked up like this since HCMM has been steering the ship:
2013: 68
2014: 74
2015: 69
2016: 69
2017: 35
2018: 42 to date, will be about 44ish based upon previous years avg. per player point averages using last years rankings.

Perhaps trending up, but the jury is still out if top 35 classes are in the mix in the next few years. The past says no. But who knows?

Really need to focus on top 20 classes to make real progress in the win/loss columns.

I don't have a Northern Illinois reference, but I do have this.....