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I’m thinking a provisional clause makes sense, whereby the conference champion’s auto bid is waived in the event the champion has >3 losses and/or is not ranked inside the top 12.
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I’m thinking a provisional clause makes sense, whereby the conference champion’s auto bid is waived in the event the champion has >3 losses and/or is not ranked inside the top 12.
I haven't gone through the whole thread in detail, but I see two issues with conference champs getting in automatically:
- Scheduling is equal in other sports (at least at the division level, which generally drive auto berths)
- There's always the possibility the champion from the weaker division knocks off the champion from the stronger division. I'm thinking back to the years under Barnett when we won the Big XII North with 4-4 or 5-3 conference records.
I feel like sports fans fall into one of two categories. The first category is made up of those who want to make sure only the “best” team is crowned champion, while the second is made up of those who enjoy the drama and unpredictability that comes with a tournament style of post season play. Neither is right or wrong, but all I’m saying is that if you fall into category one, you’re a giant pussy.
You’re right. Cleveland is the best team in the NFL.
It’s great when they don’t actually have to win games to be crowned the best in the league, isn’t it?
Medford M.
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Do you even know what point you're trying to make?
I'm a Titan fan. Tennessee has no business having the opportunity to compete for the championship. You're trying to tell me that if they win the title, they're the best team? You'd be horribly wrong, but you already were so...
Medford M.
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And it's a **** set up. Next thing you're going to say is the power 5 champs should get top 5 seeds.
If the Titans win, how will you prove they weren’t the best team?
Medford M.
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Because they are ****ing terrible. A whole 16 game season told us that. One game don't mean ****.
Why even play a championship game? Just have a committee vote on who was the best team based on the regular season. You'll have your purity then.
How will you prove they weren’t the best team if they win the Super Bowl?
Medford M.
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How old are you? You can't be this dense.
Care to answer the question or just keep being a troll?
Medford M.
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Already did. You're the one trolling. An entire season of evidence trumps one game. Period.
An entire season where each team only plays 13 out of 32 teams somehow is enough to decide the best team?
So, this year, the best team is the PittsburghNewEnglandPhiladelphiaMinnesota Eaglespatriotssteelersvikings.
They were great this year. Off the top of my head, only two of those teams actually played each other, and that was when Pittsburgh won the game against New England, only to have it taken away by the referees. But according to your theory, no more games need to be played to determine the best team in the NFL.
And I’m the one who is trolling? You’re off your nut. Full retard. That’s just incredibly stupid.
Medford M.
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So you can’t actually defend your position, but do have the ability to search the internet for cute memes. I congratulate you. Nicely done!Oh Jesus...
Medford M.
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You really are this dense. Ok. Tell me how winning the title does make you the best team. Ill wait...because you can't make an argument that would be any more convincing than mine, and that's just a fact.
I think the only way an FBS level playoff that will integrate G5 programs makes sense is to expand the field to at least 12 teams (16 probably better). With 12 or 16 teams, all conference champions get in along with two or six at-large wild-card teams. In this scenario, there will need to be a schedule regulation of how many conference and non-fbs opponent games all will play to make the scheduling roughly equivalent. Every conference must hold a title game. Every conference will recieve a power ranking based on an objective SoS/advanced metrics system so that their champions receive proper seeding in the playoffs. Then, teams play in a fixed bracket until one team wins.
Barring all of that, given the size and scope of FBS level american football, debates will rage. The powers that be love these debates and the associated passion. It fuels ratings. Ultimately, the current system is what we’ve got. It is not designed to benefit or enable entry for too many teams from weaker G5 conferences.
Barring all of that, given the size and scope of FBS level american football, debates will rage. The powers that be love these debates and the associated passion. It fuels ratings. Ultimately, the current system is what we’ve got. It is not designed to benefit or enable entry for too many teams from weaker G5 conferences.
Medford M.
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Apparently it is. You're view is antiquated. Just like the playoff systems of every major sport. Plus, you're simple minded, based on your views here.
Why even play out the NFL or college football seasons if all you're interested in is "the best team" being crowned champion? The Pats are clearly the NFL's best team and Alabama typically the "best" team in college football year in, year out.
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Ok, here’s your chance to prove your point: there are four teams with identical 13-3 regular season records in the NFL. Which team is the best?
Exactly! Which is why your original statement is worthless. It is extremely unlikely that an 8-4 team would win their conference.
Yes!!! That is exactly what it means. The best team is the one that WINS!!!! That is why we even keep score. It sounds to me like your suggesting that we sign recruits and whoever signs the "best" recruiting class that year wins the National Championship because they have the "best" team. No need to play the games at all. This way we would guarantee the "best team" gets the trophy.
Same with the Super Bowl. Play it on Saturday. There are 2 weeks between games so they don't need the extra day. Give people an extra reason to stay out and enjoy the night and not rush home because of work the next day.
Scott Frost just said on ESPN Gameday that he thinks it should be an 8-team playoff.
5 champs from the P5
Then the committee decides the 3 best other teams
I agree with him that it maintains the importance of the regular season, emphasizes the importance of winning your conference, and has the benefit of bringing in the potential of a Cinderella story like we get with hoops by potentially having a G5 team or a 3-loss conference champ in the mix.
Edit: And to make this happen, I wouldn't mind at all if we went back to an 11-game season. Just take the body bag game off everyone's schedule and make it a pre-season game at the end of fall camp. If conferences play 9 games, it's pretty easy to schedule home-and-home series so that you have 2 away some years and 1 away in others for the non-conference to balance your 5H/4A or 4H/5A conference schedule and ensure 6 home dates in addition to the pre-season gate revenue.
5 champs from the P5
Then the committee decides the 3 best other teams
I agree with him that it maintains the importance of the regular season, emphasizes the importance of winning your conference, and has the benefit of bringing in the potential of a Cinderella story like we get with hoops by potentially having a G5 team or a 3-loss conference champ in the mix.
Edit: And to make this happen, I wouldn't mind at all if we went back to an 11-game season. Just take the body bag game off everyone's schedule and make it a pre-season game at the end of fall camp. If conferences play 9 games, it's pretty easy to schedule home-and-home series so that you have 2 away some years and 1 away in others for the non-conference to balance your 5H/4A or 4H/5A conference schedule and ensure 6 home dates in addition to the pre-season gate revenue.
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so, I looked to see how this would've worked out over the last 4 years. summary -- no G5 schools sniff the playoffs. 2 three loss teams would've made it in over that time.
2017: no G5 schools, Auburn gets in at 10-3 as #7 in the final poll, by conference: 3 SEC, 1 ACC, 2 B1G, 1 Pac, 1 XII
2016: no G5 schools, Wisconsin gets in at 10-3 as #8 in the final poll, by conference: 1 SEC, 1 ACC, 4 B1G, 1 Pac, 1 XII
2015: no G5 schools, two schools get in at 10-2 as #6 and #8 in the final poll, by conference: 1 SEC, 1 ACC, 3 B1G, 1 Pac, 1 XII, 1 indy
2014: no G5 schools, two schools get in at 10-2 as #7 and #8 in the final poll, by conference: 2 SEC, 1 ACC, 2 B1G, 1 Pac, 2 XII
also, interesting that for all everyone talked about the SEC being down this year (I know, @Duff Man will clarify that he's been claiming they're top heavy), note they had more top 8 teams this year than any other since the CFP started.
There would be a clause to include the top G5 team or Notre Dame if they are ranked in the top 12 or higher than the lowest ranked conference champ. There is no reason in that format to have 3 from one conference. Take the conference champion and then either loser of that game or top team that didn't get into championship game.
ok, but that's not the system Nik posted that Frost was describing
It is basically implied as no agreement could ever be made that didn't guarantee a slot for Notre Dame and there would be severe political and anti-trust consequences if they ignored the G5. The current NY6 games have those specific clauses in them, although the G5 might only have to be top 15, but was thinking it was 12.