Rumors of Certain Regents Potentially Voting Against MT Contract

[Buffnik]

Wow, this actually really pisses me off.

How much does the University put into “marketing”? Is there any better way to market your institution and keep alumni connected than a team to root for? A common cause to which you belong? Who cares if it’s just a silly game that doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. Your patrons want it as a way to keep connected to and support your school. These jackanapes either don’t get it (concerning) or don’t care (even worse).

This literally makes me never want to donate a penny to CU, I don’t want to reward this kind of political grandstanding bull****. Jack Kroll’s website says he wants education to be affordable and accessible to all. You seen your out of state tuition rates, kiddo? **** you for bilking your out of state students and families to the hilt to subsidize your “affordable” educations. I went to CU out of state because I have a strong family history there and I was proud of it. They’ll never get a dime from me again, which is too bad, because I’m pretty rich.

Great plan - alienate your donors, deflate your biggest publicity presence, in honor of your desire to virtue signal how much you “care”, the implication of which is that people who disagree don’t care about others. Or cancer research. I actually DO cancer research. The answer to getting funding isn’t to whine about how much money entertainers make for what they do based on the monetary value of their contribution while cancer patients “unfairly” don’t get a cut of those dollars, it’s to make a truly compelling case for philanthropy.

But, but, but... revenue is never created or generated by the actions of the enterprise. You have to ignore that the AD revenues have grown by $30M over the past 3 years. That was just luck and fortunate circumstances. You don't have to invest in an enterprise to be successful. Therefore, the Athletic Department at CU's Boulder campus should transform college athletics with the new Kroll Model. This brilliant new strategy is to pay every head coach the same as a tenured professor and every assistant what a non-tenured professor makes. Recruiting budgets should be slashed since most of the players could be found within the state of Colorado. Facility upgrades should never happen because that money could be better spent on funding research or endowing scholarship funds to reduce tuition. Anyone who wants to donate money to athletics can simply be re-directed to give their money for those other things. If done right, the Athletic Department would make that same $85M in revenue but only be spending about $35M (with half of that going back to the university to pay the cost of scholarships). Then there would be another $50M a year that could be spent on academic and student enrichment projects along with professor and administrative salaries.

(I kid you not, that is Jack Kroll's vision with only some assumptions & embellishments added by me. He believes with all his heart that this is not only viable but would be so revolutionary that every other college in the country would emulate CU with its athletic department. That is the Vice Chair of the CU Board of Regents.)

 

[Ralfie]

But, but, but... revenue is never created or generated by the actions of the enterprise. You have to ignore that the AD revenues have grown by $30M over the past 3 years. That was just luck and fortunate circumstances. You don't have to invest in an enterprise to be successful. Therefore, the Athletic Department at CU's Boulder campus should transform college athletics with the new Kroll Model. This brilliant new strategy is to pay every head coach the same as a tenured professor and every assistant what a non-tenured professor makes. Recruiting budgets should be slashed since most of the players could be found within the state of Colorado. Facility upgrades should never happen because that money could be better spent on funding research or endowing scholarship funds to reduce tuition. Anyone who wants to donate money to athletics can simply be re-directed to give their money for those other things. If done right, the Athletic Department would make that same $85M in revenue but only be spending about $35M (with half of that going back to the university to pay the cost of scholarships). Then there would be another $50M a year that could be spent on academic and student enrichment projects along with professor and administrative salaries.

(I kid you not, that is Jack Kroll's vision with only some assumptions & embellishments added by me. He believes with all his heart that this is not only viable but would be so revolutionary that every other college in the country would emulate CU with its athletic department. That is the Vice Chair of the CU Board of Regents.)

Fatuous.

CU is entitled to nothing except what people voluntarily agree to donate. If I want to donate to cancer research, I’ll donate to cancer research. If I want to donate to the football program, my dollars better go to the goddamn football program. If I don’t care, well then yeah, put it wherever makes the most sense if I’m agreeing to let you decide.

Start lecturing us on what we should do with our money, see how that goes. We should have people in charge who are actual adults. Frickin guy seemingly thinks it’s better for the University to get no donation, rather than that $1M donation to the football program which actually makes money for CU. Real smart. Great posture to put out there. You’re a hero. What a heroic “stand” you’re taking.

 

[Gramburglar]

So there are 2 CU employees on the BOR? That's a real problem.

Smith is retired. 30years as prof, 10years on the BVS school board and Associate Director of the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Science’s (CIRES) Education & Outreach Program.

She may not be an sports fan, but certainly had the resume to be on the Board of Regents. The AD is only a tiny tiny financially independent fraction of the CU-Boulder community. What's ludicrous is some members of the BOR fail to understand the relationship between the AD and the academic/research institution.

 

[BuffLuke80]

I guess I shouldn't watch football anymore because it's not safe. Hell, I better get my son off the field pronto or I'm a bad parent. I'm glad I didn't read all of this, JFC!!! , I think I read enough, though.

 

[DBT]

If you're really interested in that initiative and aren't just grandstanding, you vote "yes" while releasing a statement about all the great work CU is doing on concussion protocols, a new on-site medical facility, research & design work on new helmets, a new mental health initiative, etc. You then talk about how much you look forward to continue working with Rick George along with new head coach Mel Tucker on advancing CU's leadership in the area of football safety.

She did not do that. She went obstructionist. Tells me that she's full of ****.

Doesn’t CU baseline incoming freshmen somehow so hat they can monitor brain function as their careers progress? Why am I recollecting that? Or am I just making **** up as my brain deteriorates?

 

[Dark Bohner]

Wow, this actually really pisses me off.

How much does the University put into “marketing”? Is there any better way to market your institution and keep alumni connected than a team to root for? A common cause to which you belong? Who cares if it’s just a silly game that doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. Your patrons want it as a way to keep connected to and support your school. These jackanapes either don’t get it (concerning) or don’t care (even worse).

This literally makes me never want to donate a penny to CU, I don’t want to reward this kind of political grandstanding bull****. Jack Kroll’s website says he wants education to be affordable and accessible to all. You seen your out of state tuition rates, kiddo? **** you for bilking your out of state students and families to the hilt to subsidize your “affordable” educations. I went to CU out of state because I have a strong family history there and I was proud of it. They’ll never get a dime from me again, which is too bad, because I’m pretty rich.

Great plan - alienate your donors, deflate your biggest publicity presence, in honor of your desire to virtue signal how much you “care”, the implication of which is that people who disagree don’t care about others. Or cancer research. I actually DO cancer research. The answer to getting funding isn’t to whine about how much money entertainers make for what they do based on the monetary value of their contribution while cancer patients “unfairly” don’t get a cut of those dollars, it’s to make a truly compelling case for philanthropy.

Sounds like somebody needs to write a letter to CU Admin and BOR.

They need to hear this from donors so that they actually change.

 

[Swish]

But, but, but... revenue is never created or generated by the actions of the enterprise. You have to ignore that the AD revenues have grown by $30M over the past 3 years. That was just luck and fortunate circumstances. You don't have to invest in an enterprise to be successful. Therefore, the Athletic Department at CU's Boulder campus should transform college athletics with the new Kroll Model. This brilliant new strategy is to pay every head coach the same as a tenured professor and every assistant what a non-tenured professor makes. Recruiting budgets should be slashed since most of the players could be found within the state of Colorado. Facility upgrades should never happen because that money could be better spent on funding research or endowing scholarship funds to reduce tuition. Anyone who wants to donate money to athletics can simply be re-directed to give their money for those other things. If done right, the Athletic Department would make that same $85M in revenue but only be spending about $35M (with half of that going back to the university to pay the cost of scholarships). Then there would be another $50M a year that could be spent on academic and student enrichment projects along with professor and administrative salaries.

(I kid you not, that is Jack Kroll's vision with only some assumptions & embellishments added by me. He believes with all his heart that this is not only viable but would be so revolutionary that every other college in the country would emulate CU with its athletic department. That is the Vice Chair of the CU Board of Regents.)

I think you are a little off in your assessment. For guys like this, athletics should be eliminated altogether. The university should be completely focused on academics and research. What is the real benefit of athletics when so few end up pursuing it as a career? Don't bother guys like Kroll with the details, just watch the Broncos on Sunday. If you are hungry for college football?? Just watch some other, less enlightened universities square off on the television. We all know the only reason those free tickets are even used is because they are something free.

 

[chitownbuff]

I think you are a little off in your assessment. For guys like this, athletics should be eliminated altogether. The university should be completely focused on academics and research. What is the real benefit of athletics when so few end up pursuing it as a career? Don't bother guys like Kroll with the details, just watch the Broncos on Sunday. If you are hungry for college football?? Just watch some other, less enlightened universities square off on the television. We all know the only reason those free tickets are even used is because they are something free.

Maybe he should gift his tickets to a more worthy cause. I’m sure there are plenty of cancer patients that are more deserving of those tickets.

 

[Swish]

Maybe he should gift his tickets to a more worthy cause. I’m sure there are plenty of cancer patients that are more deserving of those tickets.

Hear, Hear! It is the only logical thing to do based on his disdain for the athletic department.

 

[steph]

This reminds me of something that happened at my kids high school years ago, where baseball is a big sport. The schools boosters club offered to fully fund and build an indoor baseball practice facility on campus. Some parents, PTO, and even some on the board of education were strongly opposed, saying things like the money should be used to expand the library, or support the music program, or whatever else they thought was important. The booster club donated their time and money to raise the money, and now all of these people without the incentive or conviction to do similar fund raising for their own pet projects come out and want to dictate how the money should be spent. At least a member of the board of regents at CU should be a little more informed.

 

[Buffnik]

I think you are a little off in your assessment. For guys like this, athletics should be eliminated altogether. The university should be completely focused on academics and research. What is the real benefit of athletics when so few end up pursuing it as a career? Don't bother guys like Kroll with the details, just watch the Broncos on Sunday. If you are hungry for college football?? Just watch some other, less enlightened universities square off on the television. We all know the only reason those free tickets are even used is because they are something free.

I find it offensive that Regent Kroll chooses to go to a football game on Saturdays when he could do so much good with that time by volunteering to assist cancer patients.

 

[SuperiorBuff]

Doesn’t CU baseline incoming freshmen somehow so hat they can monitor brain function as their careers progress? Why am I recollecting that? Or am I just making **** up as my brain deteriorates?

Yes

 

[BorrachoBuff]

Isn't Sheila Jackson Lee your Congressperson?

I previously lived in her district. She makes Kroll look like Winston Churchill.

 

[BorrachoBuff]

Vic Lombardi had Kroll on his radio show this morning, and grilled him pretty hard for about 10 minutes. It was beautiful. His co-host, Moser, was especially blunt with Kroll. After the call with Kroll, they continued to discuss CU athletics/football for 30+ minutes.

 

[DBT]

Yes

**** you!

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

Vic Lombardi had Kroll on his radio show this morning, and grilled him pretty hard for about 10 minutes. It was beautiful. His co-host, Moser, was especially blunt with Kroll. After the call with Kroll, they continued to discuss CU athletics/football for 30+ minutes.

They weren't particularly positive about the program, but they were honest and they were at least talking about it. You can tell they both really want CU to be a big time program, but they both seem very concerned that it can ever get there.

 

[DBT]

Vic Lombardi had Kroll on his radio show this morning, and grilled him pretty hard for about 10 minutes. It was beautiful. His co-host, Moser, was especially blunt with Kroll. After the call with Kroll, they continued to discuss CU athletics/football for 30+ minutes.

I’ll have to check that out if they offer the replay.

 

[InTheBuff]

Vic Lombardi had Kroll on his radio show this morning, and grilled him pretty hard for about 10 minutes. It was beautiful. His co-host, Moser, was especially blunt with Kroll. After the call with Kroll, they continued to discuss CU athletics/football for 30+ minutes.

what station was that on ? maybe I can go to their website and re-listen

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

what station was that on ? maybe I can go to their website and re-listen

92.5

 

[dio]

I didn't hear the interview but heard the followup. Sounds like Kroll's basic message was that CU doesn't even need any more applicants, so what's the point.

 

[Buffnik]

Apparently Kroll was on 92.5 this morning on the Vic & Moser show. Now it's not about cancer research. His "no" vote is because money should be going to pay players a slice of that pie. Also, he finished off with an impassioned statement that football success has nothing to do with the number of applicants a college receives because prospective students are only concerned about education.

Unfortunately, what we have here folks is someone who is a true believer in his own bull****, uninformed opinion he's been spouting inside his little bubble for years and for which he has gotten positive reinforcement. Now when confronted by facts that demonstrate how wrong he is, he cannot accept those facts, cannot defend his incorrect beliefs, and is doubling down by strongly asserting his unfounded beliefs as FACT while changing his stated reasoning from one thing to another to try to find something that resonates with people and will give him some cover/ positive reinforcement.

Jack Kroll is an absolute lightweight. He's in over his head. He's not very bright. He's immature. There is no reason to respect him. It would be absolutely hilarious if he wasn't the ****ing Vice Chair of the CU Board of Regents.

 

[dio]

Apparently Kroll was on 92.5 this morning on the Vic & Moser show. Now it's not about cancer research. His "no" vote is because money should be going to pay players a slice of that pie. Also, he finished off with an impassioned statement that football success has nothing to do with the number of applicants a college receives because prospective students are only concerned about education.

Unfortunately, what we have here folks is someone who is a true believer in his own bull****, uninformed opinion he's been spouting inside his little bubble for years and for which he has gotten positive reinforcement. Now when confronted by facts that demonstrate how wrong he is, he cannot accept those facts, cannot defend his incorrect beliefs, and is doubling down by strongly asserting his unfounded beliefs as FACT while changing his stated reasoning from one thing to another to try to find something that resonates with people and will give him some cover/ positive reinforcement.

Jack Kroll is an absolute lightweight. He's in over his head. He's not very bright. He's immature. There is no reason to respect him. It would be absolutely hilarious if he wasn't the ****ing Vice Chair of the CU Board of Regents.

I'm sure the CU Boulder administration loves hearing their Assistant Director of Transfer Admissions telling everyone that CU doesn't need any further applicants .

I'm sure the various Alumni Associations and every other group who ties some of their fundraising to football events (so, probably about 75% of the groups on campus) loved hearing that they don't need football, and they can just figure out another way to connect with the Alums.

I'm sure that Bruce Benson is happy to hear that they don't need football to connect people to the campus as they prepare to launch their next $1BB capital campaign.

Jack Kroll is an absolute disaster

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

Apparently Kroll was on 92.5 this morning on the Vic & Moser show. Now it's not about cancer research. His "no" vote is because money should be going to pay players a slice of that pie. Also, he finished off with an impassioned statement that football success has nothing to do with the number of applicants a college receives because prospective students are only concerned about education.

Unfortunately, what we have here folks is someone who is a true believer in his own bull****, uninformed opinion he's been spouting inside his little bubble for years and for which he has gotten positive reinforcement. Now when confronted by facts that demonstrate how wrong he is, he cannot accept those facts, cannot defend his incorrect beliefs, and is doubling down by strongly asserting his unfounded beliefs as FACT while changing his stated reasoning from one thing to another to try to find something that resonates with people and will give him some cover/ positive reinforcement.

Jack Kroll is an absolute lightweight. He's in over his head. He's not very bright. He's immature. There is no reason to respect him. It would be absolutely hilarious if he wasn't the ****ing Vice Chair of the CU Board of Regents.

The follow up was a bit sobering though. Vic asked, if CU didn't have a football program, would their enrollment numbers drop? Probably not. However, what he is missing, and what Moser tried to point out, is that the QUALITY of the applicant pool would drop if CU dropped football. Vic was right though, the location of CU, the quality of the education, the culture of Boulder, the access to the outdoors, and the access to the amenities of a city like Denver would still drive enrollment numbers at CU. The university ultimately would be fine.

 

[Darth Snow]

a liberal millennial ..the antithesis of CU Boulder ...puke

oh my

 

[Buffnik]

The follow up was a bit sobering though. Vic asked, if CU didn't have a football program, would their enrollment numbers drop? Probably not. However, what he is missing, and what Moser tried to point out, is that the QUALITY of the applicant pool would drop if CU dropped football. Vic was right though, the location of CU, the quality of the education, the culture of Boulder, the access to the outdoors, and the access to the amenities of a city like Denver would still drive enrollment numbers at CU. The university ultimately would be fine.

No, it wouldn't. The acceptance rate is already ridiculously high -- one of the worst in the Pac-12. I know professors and their main job complaint right now is the difficulty finding qualified applicants to their departments. This is one of the biggest issues facing CU at the present time. It is struggling to be a top undergrad university. What Kroll is saying (and you are weirdly supporting) would make that problem even worse.

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

No, it wouldn't. The acceptance rate is already ridiculously high -- one of the worst in the Pac-12. I know professors and their main job complaint right now is the difficulty finding qualified applicants to their departments. This is one of the biggest issues facing CU at the present time. It is struggling to be a top undergrad university. What Kroll is saying (and you are weirdly supporting) would make that problem even worse.

I agree with Kroll that the NUMBER of applicants wouldn't be a problem. The university would still function, and survive. However, I believe that CU could improve its standing, improve the quality of the applicants and admissions if they had a successful football team and a successful football culture.

 

[BorrachoBuff]

The follow up was a bit sobering though. Vic asked, if CU didn't have a football program, would their enrollment numbers drop? Probably not. However, what he is missing, and what Moser tried to point out, is that the QUALITY of the applicant pool would drop if CU dropped football. Vic was right though, the location of CU, the quality of the education, the culture of Boulder, the access to the outdoors, and the access to the amenities of a city like Denver would still drive enrollment numbers at CU. The university ultimately would be fine.

Without football, CU would become Northern Arizona University. CU is a brand to out of state kids, and I think the brand is greatly diminished if football were to dissolve. A big time Football program gives a sense of legitimacy to a University, and that's what upper class (out of state) parents look for. Plus, football is a way to keep alumni of all ages connected to their Alma Mater. Without Football, I think Alumni involvement and donations would be hit HARD. Of course, I have no evidence for any of this, just my unjustified opinion.

 

[dio]

The follow up was a bit sobering though. Vic asked, if CU didn't have a football program, would their enrollment numbers drop? Probably not. However, what he is missing, and what Moser tried to point out, is that the QUALITY of the applicant pool would drop if CU dropped football. Vic was right though, the location of CU, the quality of the education, the culture of Boulder, the access to the outdoors, and the access to the amenities of a city like Denver would still drive enrollment numbers at CU. The university ultimately would be fine.

If by fine, you mean 'it would exist'. Football, even at a place like CU, drives fundraising. It just does. So, I guess we can assume that applicant numbers would stay high (I'm not sure they would remain as robust), but the campus does fundraising off the back of football. 80% of the Alumni Association activity is tied to football. Lots of groups on campus rely on football to open up the messaging about whatever their pet cause is on campus. The University overall relies on football to get people back to campus to see the things they are building and to get those people to give more money to projects that are not football related. There is also the notion that once you open your wallet once, you are more likely to open it again. So if you donate to football, you are more apt to want to give money back to other parts of the University.

So now imagine the University leadership really embraced football to help drive all those other things?

We can debate whether the world should be a place where football does that - but that is the reality we live in.

 

[BorrachoBuff]

I agree with Kroll that the NUMBER of applicants wouldn't be a problem. The university would still function, and survive. However, I believe that CU could improve its standing, improve the quality of the applicants and admissions if they had a successful football team and a successful football culture.

The adage "A rising tide lifts all boats" is perfect. Moser even used the phrase on the broadcast.

 

[Buffnik]

I agree with Kroll that the NUMBER of applicants wouldn't be a problem. The university would still function, and survive. However, I believe that CU could improve its standing, improve the quality of the applicants and admissions if they had a successful football team and a successful football culture.

But the NUMBER would be a problem. It's already a problem. They're already accepting over 75% of the high school kids who apply to CU.