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2020 CU football season POSTPONED until Nov 6th?

One is much more avoidable than the other.

By all indications C-19 should be a situation that we have to deal with on a temporary basis. If it means skipping or delaying a season it is something we can avoid then return to the game.

CTE is going to be there until we find a solution, something that looks to be some time off.

Remember as you consider this that in recent years many claimed that the changes that have been made so far would be "the end of football" but it is still here and by many indications while still significantly dangerous it is becoming relatively much safer.

It didn't kill football to start penalizing helmet to helmet hits, shots on defenseless receivers, stricter regulations on kick-offs, less time practicing with full contact, requiring potentially injured players to undergo concussion evaluations and to sit out until cleared by medical professionals to return.

It isn't going to kill college football to delay or even cancel a season until such time as we can return in a safer environment for the players and the rest of the people involved in the game.

In the long run we do need a better answer for CTE but that is a separate issue from a potentially deadly and/or crippling, highly contagious, widespread viral disease that we are just starting to understand and that we have a very reasonable expectation of having a vaccine and better treatment for in a matter of months.
 
definition of minimal cardiac problems: heart problems that happen to someone else.

@Gary Indiana , I think you're raising a completely valid analogy. I want football, exciting full contact hard-hitting football. I don't want anyone to get sick.

I've been on the record for at least a few years that I think CTE is going to end football as we know it. As a passionate fan of the sport I'm incredibly conflicted on the subject. i want my football but I feel like a hypocrite. I almost consciously turn a blind eye to the issue because I can't reconcile my love of the sport with the damage I know is being inflicted on the players. That being said, when my team's linebacker busts into the backfield and starts making a bee-line for the QB, I'll be among the first in the stands to jump to my feet, pump my fist in the air and scream "kill, kill, kill that motherfücker!!!" and I'll celebrate a snot-bubble generating hit on the receiver as hard as anyone in the stands.

and then I'll feel horrible when I read about injuries and CTE the day after the game.

yeah, I'm a terrible person. at least I acknowledge it and I understand that's the first step.
 
Gary Indiana said:
Thanks I agree with a lot of what you said. I don't put as much weight on the concussion testing as you do, though. It identifies a problem for which there currently is no remedy. How do you fix repeated head trauma? We see athletes like Salaam and Seau succumb to CTE, and for those that don't take that route, they report that their life is basically never the same. So a lot of unknowns there as well, and as far as what we do know, it's not good.

If I gave you the choice right now between CTE or Covid, which would you take?
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Yeah but the concussion stuff has come a long way since back then. These guys are regularly tested and repeated head trauma can be prevented when your brain hasn’t healed yet (which correct me if I’m wrong, that was where the worst problems occurred when players played through concussions repeatedly and the brain just deteriorated). Anyways I would obviously choose covid as a normal person but if you have me the chance to play football with the way they monitor concussions now a days I think I would take my chances with that.
 
onealcd said:
Yeah but the concussion stuff has come a long way since back then. These guys are regularly tested and repeated head trauma can be prevented when your brain hasn’t healed yet (which correct me if I’m wrong, that was where the worst problems occurred when players played through concussions repeatedly and the brain just deteriorated). Anyways I would obviously choose covid as a normal person but if you have me the chance to play football with the way they monitor concussions now a days I think I would take my chances with that.
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Yeah, I guess my issue there is "opting out of football" doesn't equate to "opting out of Covid". If anything, I'm in the camp that it's better to keep these kids busy practicing on campus, than out at parties and gatherings back home.
 
hokiehead said:
definition of minimal cardiac problems: heart problems that happen to someone else.

@Gary Indiana , I think you're raising a completely valid analogy. I want football, exciting full contact hard-hitting football. I don't want anyone to get sick.

I've been on the record for at least a few years that I think CTE is going to end football as we know it. As a passionate fan of the sport I'm incredibly conflicted on the subject. i want my football but I feel like a hypocrite. I almost consciously turn a blind eye to the issue because I can't reconcile my love of the sport with the damage I know is being inflicted on the players. That being said, when my team's linebacker busts into the backfield and starts making a bee-line for the QB, I'll be among the first in the stands to jump to my feet, pump my fist in the air and scream "kill, kill, kill that motherfücker!!!" and I'll celebrate a snot-bubble generating hit on the receiver as hard as anyone in the stands.

and then I'll feel horrible when I read about injuries and CTE the day after the game.

yeah, I'm a terrible person. at least I acknowledge it and I understand that's the first step.
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Eh, at this point, CTE doesn't bother me really as it's been at the forefront of sports media for years now. Parents are aware, players are aware, fans are aware, etc. yet parents continue allowing their kids to play, players are still wanting and begging to play, and fans are still wanting and begging to watch. It's a personal/freedom of choice issue that nobody should be able to dictate one way or the other.
 
Gary Indiana said:
Yeah, I guess my issue there is "opting out of football" doesn't equate to "opting out of Covid". If anything, I'm in the camp that it's better to keep these kids busy practicing on campus, than out at parties and gatherings back home.
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No doubt about that. Everything was going great until the students came back to campus.
 
Any years ago a childhood friend of mine married Kyle Turley (of the saints at that time). I lost touch with her as they moved around but one day I was reading the story of his issues with CTE in the New York Times. It was eye opening and scary. Since I read that each year I feel less enthused to support it and quite frankly it is probably more for me about having played (in high school) and enjoyed it and pride in my school.

With COVID my concern is the potential of spread throughout the rest of the school and the community. I haven't seen my family or friends in person since March to do my part. I don't want to see us actively ****ing that up just for entertainment as I have missed a lot of very personal events that were important to me.
 
TSchekler said:
Eh, at this point, CTE doesn't bother me really as it's been at the forefront of sports media for years now. Parents are aware, players are aware, fans are aware, etc. yet parents continue allowing their kids to play, players are still wanting and begging to play, and fans are still wanting and begging to watch. It's a personal/freedom of choice issue that nobody should be able to dictate one way or the other.
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And COVID is a different deal? Putting aside the fan angle-that argument doesn't add up.
 
TSchekler said:
As has been said, you can't just opt out of COVID like you can CTE (kind of), and you can spread COVID to other people. It's completely different.
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One, CTE is far more likely to impact a football player than COVID is. Two, you can spread COVID by simply going to college-much less playing sports.....where's the uproar there lately? If I had a college age kid and they wanted to return to school, I'd tell them you're not coming home until Thanksgiving.
 
ahoelsken said:
Seems like it went away when students came back.
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Well, it hasn't. Not at CU, and not at any college. I see news reports everyday of the hundreds or thousands of infections at various colleges. CU itself had 4 dorms with COVID in the sewage and are now testing students on campus with saliva tests. Many colleges have already gone fully remote. There is plenty of uproar
 
dio said:
Well, it hasn't. Not at CU, and not at any college. I see news reports everyday of the hundreds or thousands of infections at various colleges. CU itself had 4 dorms with COVID in the sewage and are now testing students on campus with saliva tests. Many colleges have already gone fully remote. There is plenty of uproar
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They brought kids back because they didn't want to swallow cuts to tuition, and that's wrong. Add this to the list of reasons why we'll see more spread over the next few weeks-especially as the weather starts to cool down.
 


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Pac 12 doing a great job handling all of this. Now if we can just get the numbers in control for local governments to be able to ease restrictions I could see this all coming together sooner Than anticipated.
 


Hoops is gonna happen. Football is too big to not have major hiccups unless things improve.
 
It is wholly unfair to transpose the historical CTE issues in this sport on to todays game. Since the reality of CTE has come to the forefront, it is true that many players (and parents) have elected to continue on with the sport knowing full well what dangers might loom in the form of CTE. It is also true, though, that the game itself has changed dramatically in the last decade. Limits on contact in practice, concussion protocol, dangerous hits/tackles being legislated out of the game, different coaching techniques being used, and helmet technology being advanced for the first time in 50 years, all have made the game dramatically safer as it relates to head trauma (the cause of CTE). Because of all of these changes, the truth is, no one knows what sort of impact, if any, CTE will have on todays players as they get older. Because the game actually addressed the risk in a thoughtful (albeit, often frustrating) way, I have no qualms in supporting the game of FB because I have seen first hand that the behavior in the sport that was leading to the tragic CTE results, has now been largely eliminated.

Comparing the above to CV-19, something we still have a lot to learn about WRT actual risks and long term affects on a persons health, is truly apples and oranges in my mind.
 
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