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Coach Prime's "Purpose" in Boulder

Uncle Ken

Uncle Ken

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Yes, I'm aware that the number of Coach Prime threads is ridiculous and I'm adding another one. Sorry

However, I was struck in Coach Prime's documentary when he said that (paraphrased) people assume he just does things, but they don't understand that there's always a purpose or notion behind what he does.

Obviously developing young men is part of his purpose. He can do that anywhere though, and was already doing that at JSU. And he has stated it's not about money - he already has enough.

From the documentary, it's clear that he has a passion for the Jackson community and that he wanted to provide better opportunities/awareness for HBCUs.

There was a video clip of Prime praying while looking at the Flatirons a few weeks ago. In that prayer he expressed gratitude for what has been revealed to him, and what he understands now that he didn't understand a year ago.

What was revealed? Was the revelation just about P5 and being on a bigger stage? Or is there something specific to Boulder.

Why bring his passion and talents to Boulder? A few years ago a study revealed that Boulder is the town that deviates the most from the national norm (based on a number of criteria). It's one of the wealthiest, happiest, most educated places in America, not to mention one of the whitest. Prime has already noted that there's virtually no crime here.

At one point during the documentary when JSU players were distributing water to Jackson citizens during the water crisis, I imagined CU players distributing Cherry Blossom flavored La Croix cans during a sparkling water shortage on Rose Hill.

So why Boulder? It it because CU is a P5 that offered, or is there more?

And also in advance: **** you too, 96.
 
Uncle Ken said:
Yes, I'm aware that the number of Coach Prime threads is ridiculous and I'm adding another one. Sorry

However, I was struck in Coach Prime's documentary when he said that (paraphrased) people assume he just does things, but they don't understand that there's always a purpose or notion behind what he does.

Obviously developing young men is part of his purpose. He can do that anywhere though, and was already doing that at JSU. And he has stated it's not about money - he already has enough.

From the documentary, it's clear that he has a passion for the Jackson community and that he wanted to provide better opportunities/awareness for HBCUs.

There was a video clip of Prime praying while looking at the Flatirons a few weeks ago. In that prayer he expressed gratitude for what has been revealed to him, and what he understands now that he didn't understand a year ago.

What was revealed? Was the revelation just about P5 and being on a bigger stage? Or is there something specific to Boulder.

Why bring his passion and talents to Boulder? A few years ago a study revealed that Boulder is the town that deviates the most from the national norm (based on a number of criteria). It's one of the wealthiest, happiest, most educated places in America, not to mention one of the whitest. Prime has already noted that there's virtually no crime here.

At one point during the documentary when JSU players were distributing water to Jackson citizens during the water crisis, I imagined CU players distributing Cherry Blossom flavored La Croix cans during a sparkling water shortage on Rose Hill.

So why Boulder? It it because CU is a P5 that offered, or is there more?

And also in advance: **** you too, 96.
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My simple answer is that he wants to take on the challenge of bringing a broken program to where it once was.

Its also been documented that he wants to give black coaches the opportunity to make more money and rise in the college ranks, although he probably could do that anywhere.
 
I believe his purpose here is to win championships and graduate players. I really hope that's the deal.

Beyond that, i assume he has career goals that are aligned with the above.
 
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HudsonBuff said:
I think a big part of it is giving sheduer the chance to compete at the highest level and showcase himself for the nfl.
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CP has said that he received other offers. We know S. Florida was one. Shedeur could be showcased there or any other power 5/G5. I'm not a trying to argue your point but more just convincing myself that CP came here for a reason that will keep him here for than a few years.
 
Jens1893 said:
Pet peeve: Why do people say sorry when they quite obviously do not mean it?
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It's become one of the most meaningless words in the English language.

Whenever I hear someone say "I'm sorry", it's an effort of will to not reply "no you're not".

If you mean to apologize, then apologize. In most every situation i hear that expression, I don't for a moment believe that you really feel sorrow for what happened.
 
hokiehead said:
It's become one of the most meaningless words in the English language.

Whenever I hear someone say "I'm sorry", it's an effort of will to not reply "no you're not".

If you mean to apologize, then apologize. In most every situation i hear that expression, I don't for a moment believe that you really feel sorrow for what happened.
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It's become a very commonly used word in German as well and a prime example of the "Denglisch" concept.
 
hokiehead said:
It's become one of the most meaningless words in the English language.

Whenever I hear someone say "I'm sorry", it's an effort of will to not reply "no you're not".

If you mean to apologize, then apologize. In most every situation i hear that expression, I don't for a moment believe that you really feel sorrow for what happened.
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I think he wants to provide the best platform to get his players to the next level, whether it’s football or life and a P5 program does that.

I think he found that CU AD is all about giving black coaches a chance to succeed and the progressive nature of Boulder, along with the safety/lack of crime, provides a great environment for black coaches and players to thrive at a place that can have the biggest spotlight.

To help achieve that vision he needed a chance, which CU was one of the only (maybe THE only) P5 program to offer and he needed the necessary resources and institutional commitment, both of which CU has promised/provided.

I think many other programs could have offered what CU has offered, but life is all about timing and I think CU was finally right place, right time and took the correct action.
 
hokiehead said:
It's become one of the most meaningless words in the English language.

Whenever I hear someone say "I'm sorry", it's an effort of will to not reply "no you're not".

If you mean to apologize, then apologize. In most every situation i hear that expression, I don't for a moment believe that you really feel sorrow for what happened.
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the equivalent to saying “I’m good” when someone asks how you are
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I think he wants to provide the best platform to get his players to the next level, whether it’s football or life and a P5 program does that.

I think he found that CU AD is all about giving black coaches a chance to succeed and the progressive nature of Boulder, along with the safety/lack of crime, provides a great environment for black coaches and players to thrive at a place that can have the biggest spotlight.

To help achieve that vision he needed a chance, which CU was one of the only (maybe THE only) P5 program to offer and he needed the necessary resources and institutional commitment, both of which CU has promised/provided.

I think many other programs could have offered what CU has offered, but life is all about timing and I think CU was finally right place, right time and took the correct action.
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You are missing a key piece to that last point.

A lot of programs COULD have offered what CU did, but it appears only CU chose to do so. At least at the P5 level.
 
H.E. Pennypacker said:
Its also been documented that he wants to give black coaches the opportunity to make more money and rise in the college ranks, although he probably could do that anywhere.
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Could he do that anywhere?

It's a serious question.

There are very few P5 schools that have ever given a black man their head coaching job - especially if you exclude "interim" head coaches. There are even fewer that have done it twice. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that there's no P5 school that has done it three times.

Except CU, where Prime is not the third, but the 4th black head coach.

Lily white Boulder has established itself as perhaps the lone place in the P5 that will give black head coaches not just one chance, but we'll even give failed ones a second chance.

There's a difference between saying a school could/would do it, and a school actually doing it.

CU has done it.

Walking the walk counts for something.
 
skibum said:
Could he do that anywhere?

It's a serious question.

There are very few P5 schools that have ever given a black man their head coaching job - especially if you exclude "interim" head coaches. There are even fewer that have done it twice. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that there's no P5 school that has done it three times.

Except CU, where Prime is not the third, but the 4th black head coach.

Lily white Boulder has established itself as perhaps the lone place in the P5 that will give black head coaches not just one chance, but we'll even give failed ones a second chance.

There's a difference between saying a school could/would do it, and a school actually doing it.

CU has done it.

Walking the walk counts for something.
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I meant that he could do it anywhere he was given the opportunity to do so.
 
I think he chose Boulder because it was the best opportunity at the time. P5, great facilities, tradition (that at least he can remember). Timing was on our side. This was the year for Shedeur to transfer to a FBS school. I think Prime wanted a job this year.

As for purpose, Coach Prime will find purpose in whatever he does.
 
He talks a lot about changing the game.

I don't fully know what that means, but Coach Prime definitely has a vision to do things differently which makes an impact on the sport beyond winning a lot of games.

He could attract a lot of talent and win a lot of games anywhere.

I have to believe that CU being in a position to agree to let Coach Prime do things differently and run the program his way was a big deal. Probably was essential for him to take a job. I'm not sure he has interest or ever will have interest in going to a school where they'd tell him the structure of how they do things, dictate things like his booster and media commitments, or even tell him that certain traditions or uniform styles are untouchable. Or limit his business opportunities and dictate his office hours.

With CU, what would he have been told was non-negotiable? Ralphie will run, color scheme is black, gold and white with silver a rarely used official color, players will be expected to be real students and good citizens, and we don't want to become a rogue program on NCAA compliance. That's pretty much it and he otherwise has complete freedom to implement his vision.

I don't think he'd get that other places.

The vision, whatever it might be in specifics, seems to be driven by Coach Prime wanting to provide opportunities for others which he saw as lacking. That means young people, particularly those who grew up hard, and it means wanting his program to be a cradle of coaches, probably with an emphasis on opportunities for black coaches. Beyond that, I don't know. All I'm sure of is that it isn't only the norm of just wanting to have the resources to compete while getting paid top dollar - his vision is bigger than that.
 
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Jens1893 said:
Pet peeve: Why do people say sorry when they quite obviously do not mean it?
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hokiehead said:
It's become one of the most meaningless words in the English language.

Whenever I hear someone say "I'm sorry", it's an effort of will to not reply "no you're not".

If you mean to apologize, then apologize. In most every situation i hear that expression, I don't for a moment believe that you really feel sorrow for what happened.
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I’ll ask both of the same thing I repeatedly asked PAHI before I gave up and threatened to kick his ass: Please don’t speak for my intentions.

I actually don’t start a lot of new threads and genuinely believe we have too many Prime threads. I gave a lot of thought before starting this one and was genuinely sorry for starting a new one AND I felt it was distinct enough to warrant a new thread. Both things can be true.

Thanks to those that responded that weren’t ****ing assholes.
 
Uncle Ken said:
Yes, I'm aware that the number of Coach Prime threads is ridiculous and I'm adding another one. Sorry

However, I was struck in Coach Prime's documentary when he said that (paraphrased) people assume he just does things, but they don't understand that there's always a purpose or notion behind what he does.

Obviously developing young men is part of his purpose. He can do that anywhere though, and was already doing that at JSU. And he has stated it's not about money - he already has enough.

From the documentary, it's clear that he has a passion for the Jackson community and that he wanted to provide better opportunities/awareness for HBCUs.

There was a video clip of Prime praying while looking at the Flatirons a few weeks ago. In that prayer he expressed gratitude for what has been revealed to him, and what he understands now that he didn't understand a year ago.

What was revealed? Was the revelation just about P5 and being on a bigger stage? Or is there something specific to Boulder.

Why bring his passion and talents to Boulder? A few years ago a study revealed that Boulder is the town that deviates the most from the national norm (based on a number of criteria). It's one of the wealthiest, happiest, most educated places in America, not to mention one of the whitest. Prime has already noted that there's virtually no crime here.

At one point during the documentary when JSU players were distributing water to Jackson citizens during the water crisis, I imagined CU players distributing Cherry Blossom flavored La Croix cans during a sparkling water shortage on Rose Hill.

So why Boulder? It it because CU is a P5 that offered, or is there more?

And also in advance: **** you too, 96.
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things monkey GIF
 
Uncle Ken said:
I’ll ask both of the same thing I repeatedly asked PAHI before I gave up and threatened to kick his ass: Please don’t speak for my intentions.

I actually don’t start a lot of new threads and genuinely believe we have too many Prime threads. I gave a lot of thought before starting this one and was genuinely sorry for starting a new one AND I felt it was distinct enough to warrant a new thread. Both things can be true.

Thanks to those that responded that weren’t ****ing assholes.
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Are you more, or less, sorry now?
 
If you listen to what he says, and the emphasis that he puts on having an impact, I think a lot of what is said above is correct, but we are missing the connection between a few key dots.

CU is a ready made opportunity for him. World class facilities. World class town. P5 conference at a school that he can start from scratch and build it his way, at a school that has given multiple AA coaches an opportunity. A school, with history and tradition, that has won it all in the past. I think these attributes are all obvious, but I think there is potentially a deeper connection beyond this, and I point to his relationship with Kordell Stewart to provide a window into that deeper connection.

Kordell was talking with Prime about how he told him this was God's country. I would bet a large sum that Kordell talked to HCP about how Mac was a man of faith, and how that leadership fit into his experience in Boulder. Prime is clearly a man of deep faith, and he utilizes that faith in every decision and path he takes. When he was talking to Kordell about this, it seemed to hold a deep powerful meaning to him. Why? Because of his mission.

His stated mission in just about every decision he has made over his coaching career seems to be grounded in leading "his people". By his people, I infer people of faith, people from a disadvantaged background that LOVE football, who are looking to use football to better their life. A large portion of the kids/men that fit this description also happen to be largely represented by African Americans. So, why Boulder? Beside all of the ready made, turn key reasons above, Boulder IS lily white and extremely wealthy. If you are a man on a mission to lead "his people", is there not a better environment to help your people grow, mature, and advance, then a safe, rich, educated town that likely represents the most drastically opposite environment from what many of these kids have grown up with?

"Son, come to Boulder and I KNOW it will prepare you for any challenge you will face for the rest of your life. You'll play for championships against the best in the country and we will show you how to become the best FB player you can be. But here's what else you will get from the University of Colorado; a world class education. You will be in one of the safest towns in America, and in this environment, you will largely be surrounded by well educated and wealthy white people. Whether you play in the NFL, or you go on to be an aerospace engineer, or a business leader, who is it that you think you'll largely be interacting with after you leave college? This will be a full life growing opportunity. athletically, spiritually, intellectually & socially. You will leave CU as a young man ready to take on any challenge."

For a man that loves to take on challenges, wants to help people grow while he competes for it all, wants to do it his way, and wants to lead young men in all aspects of life....is there a better place or opportunity than this? This is what I think Kordell and Prime discussed, and IMO, HCP confirmed in his public discussion with Kordell. Separately, I have heard Kordell talk about this very thing (particularly learning to interact with, and be comfortable with white people while he was in Boulder), and I bet this whole life picture and growth opportunity is "Why Boulder"
 
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Leon Sandcastle said:
If you listen to what he says, and the emphasis that he puts on having an impact, I think a lot of what is said above is correct, but we are missing the connection between a few key dots.

CU is a ready made opportunity for him. World class facilities. World class town. P5 conference at a school that he can start from scratch and build it his way, at a school that has given multiple AA coaches an opportunity. A school, with history and tradition, that has won it all in the past. I think these attributes are all obvious, but I think there is potentially a deeper connection beyond this, and I point to his relationship with Kordell Stewart to provide a window into that deeper connection.

Kordell was talking with Prime about how he told him this was God's country. I would bet a large sum that Kordell talked to HCP about how Mac was a man of faith, and how that leadership fit into his experience in Boulder. Prime is clearly a man of deep faith, and he utilizes that faith in every decision and path he takes. When he was talking to Kordell about this, it seemed to hold a deep powerful meaning to him. Why? Because of his mission.

His stated mission in just about every decision he has made over his coaching career seems to be grounded in leading "his people". By his people, I infer people of faith, people from a disadvantaged background that LOVE football, who are looking to use football to better their life. A large portion of the kids/men that fit this description also happen to be largely represented by African Americans. So, why Boulder? Beside all of the ready made, turn key reasons above, Boulder IS lily white and extremely wealthy. If you are a man on a mission to lead "his people", is there not a better environment to help your people grow, mature, and advance, then a safe, rich, educated town that likely represents the most drastically opposite environment from what many of these kids have grown up with?

"Son, come to Boulder and I KNOW it will prepare you for any challenge you will face for the rest of your life. You'll play for championships against the best in the country and we will show you how to become the best FB player you can be. But here's what else you will get from the University of Colorado; a world class education. You will be in one of the safest towns in America, and in this environment, you will largely be surrounded by well educated and wealthy white people. Whether you play in the NFL, or you go on to be an aerospace engineer, or a business leader, who is it that you think you'll largely be interacting with after you leave college? This will be a full life growing opportunity. athletically, spiritually, intellectually & socially. You will leave CU as a young man ready to take on any challenge."

For a man that loves to take on challenges, wants to help people grow while he competes for it all, wants to do it his way, and wants to lead young men in all aspects of life....is there a better place or opportunity than this? This is what I think Kordell and Prime discussed, and IMO, HCP confirmed in his public discussion with Kordell. Separately, I have heard Kordell talk about this very thing (particularly learning to interact with, and be comfortable with white people while he was in Boulder), and I bet this whole life picture and growth opportunity is "Why Boulder"
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So, just furthering Eddie's work?

 
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