Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by InTheBuff, Jun 11, 2019.
On critical third downs late in games? It's an issue.
Did you know that a person who is 35 today was 6 years old in 1990?
"One of the best"
Is it in your top 5 things you want from a QB? Top 10? It's become an issue (albeit a minor one) after the coaches got in his head about sliding in his second year.
I don't know where I rank it, but it is a symptom of a team not getting over the 5-7 hump.
They did the same thing to Sefo. Maybe the toughest QB I’ve ever seen, but he slid or went out short a number of times.
Over the course of a game I would much rather have Montez as a running threat than Sefo. Any offense designed around putting your QB in multiple dives a game is a dumb one, imo.
Yes, on third and one I would much rather have Sefo.
I said one of the best lol-Hagan/CJ and Kordell (who was a better passer than those two and might be the best QB we've had in program history) are in a league of their own.
Kordell is easily the best CU QB in program history.
I just wouldn’t rank him #1 because of a single game in 1994.
Oh no question. He was a more complete QB than Hagan or CJ was, and I actually think '94 was the most talented team we've ever had, and one that if we had the BCS or CFP in place then would have gotten another crack at the Nubs in a national championship game, but I'm getting off subject lol. Sorry.
It's not like we want him seeking out contact, but in the college game, hell yes a top 5 attribute for a QB needs to be the ability/willingness to run and get the off schedule first down. A true dual threat QB who is willing/able to do that is an equalizer.
Agree with what you're saying here. I didn't see John Elway in college, other than clips, and I definitely wouldn't call him a dual threat, really. Getting an off schedule first down or making a play when nothing is there, dude wrote the book on that ****. Can Montez do that? Seen him do it here and there, no consistency, though. Think it was Duff talking about the potential thing? Why the hell are we talking about potential with him now? I'm sorry, but it's put up or sit your ass down time. Don't get me wrong, the guy has ability, that's not enough, though.
Montez is actually pretty physical. Just watch him during his first starts at Colorado.
I think he was heavily coached to not be so physical with his running because of the injury risk.
Check your math, I was 20 in 1990.
I knew, I was 5 in 1990. That was a lifetime ago.
At least you aren't as old as our Moses, he's like Kevin Durant, we know who he is.
I hope you’re right. I was disappointed in the spring game in that the offense looked like the same old same old. Hopefully that is just the spring game.
Considering the stage, that's the most famous one. If anybody wanted to take the time, you could make a pretty lengthy highlight reel of plays like that in his career, he had quite a few. He did it with his arm, too. He'd scramble all over the place, set up, and just throw a ****ing bullet to somebody downfield. I'll see if I can find it, and I think it was against KC? That throw was one not many, if any, could make but him. Anyway, I'm not worried about Montez's arm. I worry about how he reads what he sees, or if he's reading anything at all. He looks like a one read guy, and if it's not there, he'll either panic or force it. Hope he is improving in that area, spring game didn't sound like he had.
Last year in the first part of the season I saw Montez being patient and doing the mental things. He was making second and even third reads, he was looking guys off, he was making plays on anticipation. A really big thing was he was moving with the intent of setting things up rather than to simply escape.
About the time we started into the death spiral that stopped. He was getting a lot of pressure and taking some brutal hits. He then reverted back to his one read and bail out habits from the prior year (when he was getting beat up weekly.)
When you look back on Elway he was one of the most gifted guys to ever play the position buy his competitiveness and drive is what put him over. Unlike Montez and so many other QBs Elway seemed to take getting hit as a motivator, hit him hard and he was likely to produce at TD in the next few plays.
That's the thing, you can't teach what guys like Elway had, I'm not talking about the physical gifts, either. Steven could be pretty damn good, if he can put it all together. I'd think we're all rooting for him to do so.
The offense did not look the same really at all.. but even if you thought it did, it was very vanilla like always but I noticed the difference immediately.
Oh good. I’m not really knowledgeable enough on the finer points of offensive football to know the difference. What I saw was a lot of slow developing, ineffective RPO plays and long bombs that were overthrown. (Just like last year).
If they were doing different things that I didn’t catch, I am very happy to hear that. I’ll keep an open mind for sure because I do believe Johnson is an upgrade over Chev.
Sefo was another one that took hit after hit and kept going. He had to.
A running QB is a target. He has a price on his head and every guy on the defense would like nothing better than to collect. So I’m sure the staff coaches self preservation.
Just one factor in defense of Montez--the guy is durable. I can't recall him ever missing a game due to injury, and he's had more starts than any current QB in the PAC (I believe; Herbert might be close; did not do deep stat dive). He doesn't have the "it" college QB leadership quality that Sefo had, but Sefo is no longer on the team. I'm looking forward to seeing how Montez performs this season.
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