Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by SpacemanSpiff, Oct 4, 2008.
But his completion % is awesome!
Going out on a limb here but Cody clearly isn't the answer at QB, they might as well let Ballenger play out the rest of the games. How bad could it be?
Maybe next year but c'mon, man.
I have yet to hear ANYONE at practice say that Cody is not the best QB we have. When Matt outplays him there (and maybe he will), I think he'll play in games.
Look, I'm with you but Cody is not getting better. Is there really a point to sticking with him so they can go 5-7 (maybe)? NFL teams do this all the time. A starter doesn't deliver so they get the young guy real game experience with an eye towards next year. At the very least Ballenger has the physical tools to be a BigXII quarterback. Why not give him a shot?
You cant tell me Ballenger is that much worse than Cody! Dammit we should have put him in to start the 2nd half
Is Ballanger currently a reshirt frosh?
I'm also ok with Ballenger playing. But as much as the fans want to win, don't you think the coaches and players want to win more? When Ballenger outplays Cody at practice, then he'll play. I think that is a very real possibility. Heck, I'd like to see Tyler Hansen turn into a dual threat QB along the lines of McCoy and Daniels.
I think Ballenger has the tools to makeup for pressure in the Big XII that Cody can not overcome.
I think you are right. He has the tools. I'd love to see him develop those tools and turn into a 6'4" Howitzer. But NFL size is not enough...sincerely, Adam Bledsoe.
Ballenger is the better QB overall but Cody knows the system/playbook better. No change this year.
Adam Bledsoe played in the NFL, and on pretty good teams. Cody will never even get a look as a punt snapper.
The best series we had offensively was the one when Ballenger was at the helm. Granted it was against 2nd stringers. But still looked very good.
Now I dont think Ballenger is Colt McCoy or Sam Bradford, but I do think he is what we need in the Big XII until we get that 4-5 star QB.
Did one of you possibly mean Drew? Adam was the little brother that rode the bench at CU for 4 years. If you needed an indicator of what CU used to be versus what it is now there you go. The talented brother of a then NFL star quarterback couldnt crack the starting lineup at CU in the 90's. Anyone remember Jeremy Weisinger? He was a 5 star (correct me if I'm wrong) quarterback recruit and he never even sniffed playing time.
If we make Ballenger the starter we go back to square one and will probably win maybe 1 or 2 more games. Ballenger looked okay against TU's scrubs but he will get eaten alive when he faces the ones. I just have these horrible visions of our RS Frosh QB who isn't quite ready for full speed leading our true freshmen RB's who are frequently lost in keystone cop fiascoes that move the O closer to our own endzone.
Cody is still the guy for this season but this may be his last as the starter.
I don't think that's a very good barometer of the CU program falling. They weren't that good. Look at who they could not beat out...
I suppose you're right. Maybe perception shouldn't be reality but it certainly helped the perception of being an "elite" program to have those type of guys on the team.
Right on, my bad. I meant Drew, and you are correct on those facts, but from what I saw I didnt think Ballnger was that much worse that Cody, in fact I saw quite the opposite in potential.
I agree. I think they need to build around his physical skill set. I don't know if he's got the intangibles to be a championship level QB but why not give him the chance to impress?
Championship? NO, but we'll get further than we will with Cody.
this is a stupid conversation. Our O line is the problem, not our QB
Both, I think, but also add special teams. So they need to improve in each of those areas. I think the QB can be improved with Ballenger, the Oline needs to play consistent, and man Special Teams?.. Riddle needs to get fired.
Let's start Ballenger. Then when he fails, then you will be saying well Nelson is a senior he should get his chance. Maybe even let's give up this season and get Hansen some playing time. QB is not the problem. A young line decimated by injury is.
Wow, me and fallen agree on something.. Scary.. :lol:
If Hawk thought Ballenger was better than Little Hawk he would play him..
You can count on one hand the number of times that Cody had more than 2 seconds to throw tonight. If he set his feet, it was a miracle.
I'll stipulate to your point but tell me something: would you agree that if everything else were equal that Ballenger would still have a significant height, strength, and (evidently) mobility advantage over Cody? That must count for something. I want to believe that Hawk has an absolutely objective view of his son as far as his ability goes but as I've mentioned before I'm a father myself and I can tell you that it's next to impossible to be coldly dispassionate about your own son. He has a rooting interest in Cody being the starter. Whatever he says to the contrary that is simply a fact. Any of us would feel the same about our sons in that position. I'm not blaming him but someone needs to broach the possibility to him that Ballenger (or even Hansen) might need to get a real shot at ingame experience. Cody is not getting the job done. Patchwork O-line or not he isn't producing.
Did you go to any of the scrimmages before the season? It was obscenely clear that Cody was the best QB on the roster. So, unless things have changed radically since then, IMO, people need to chill out about benching Cody.
I'm going to add in my 2 cents here.
Cody is the better QB when it comes to experience (very little), and knowledge of the playbook. Really that's it.
So now we ask, when do you sacrifice knowledge of the playbook for physical ability?
How many batted balls were there on 2nd and 3rd down?
I love Cody (no homo) and the heart he brings but you eventually just have to go with the physical attributes. Matt looked great (sure it was 2nd string/3rd string but DAMN he made his throws, regardless of personnel).
I say, **** it. Throw Matt in there, he can only gain experience by actually playing. And he'll get a better feel for the playbook faster as well. Throw in the fact that he has the physical ability to go long (accurately) it will help our run game immensely.
We just went against a HUGE athletic D-Line, it will only get better. But Cody just will never be able to match up in the QB conference that is the Big XII.
What do all the great teams in the Big XII have? QBs that can move AND throw. We saw that tonight in Colt McCoy.
Sorry guys, but I think it's time.
Fine, let's beat the dead horse a little more. Was the O-line at fault when Cody missed all those open throws last week? He just flat out could not throw the ball from point A to point B. This isn't rocket science. He doesn't check down, he has poor vision to begin with due to his height (Reesing for example mitigates his lack of height with mobility) his arm strength is a matter of public record, and he's statuesque in the pocket. With the swiss cheese line they have right now why in god's name wouldn't it make sense to change things up with someone who might be able to either see better and make better throws (Ballenger) or someone who could possibly make something happen with his feet (Hansen)?
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