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Bench Montez (9-14 edition)

Buffs35

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Never been a fan, but you can't jump ship now. However, if they get boat raced by the scum devils and he plays like he did this week, they should stll start Montez, but slso give lytle a few series with the ones against zona. Home game against one of the weaker remaining opponents.
 

MtnBuff

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we are not benching montez unless he stops giving us the best chance to get to a bowl game or that stops mattering. But it is unfortunate the prior staff put us in the situation of having no idea what is behind him.
As fans we convinced ourselves, and yes I bought in, that our former staff could "develop" players.

Not only did they not develop the guys behind him I would like somebody to describe the "development" we have seen in Montez in his time in Boulder. How is he a substantially better QB than he was 3-4 years ago.

I have a hard time believing that under a lot of other staffs in college football that Montez would still be making a lot of the mistakes he is making now.
 

GuySmiley

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Not seeing the same thing as you did!

Rewatched it and I have been pro-Montez for years. The pressure was not that bad. He got sacked twice legitimately, couple times he just happy feeted it out of the pocket.
Yes he is a student-athlete and he has been a good player for the most part, but this was a game he needed to show up for and he did not. Brady Russell had his worst game as well at the wrong time. The whole team looks tired, not out of shape, just tired legs from overuse. Need to sub more even if you struggle with trusting depth. Akil Jones can play, Rakestraw can play, Arias can play, trust others. When Montez got hit maybe a series with Lytle was worth a look?

My worry is that the AFA DB’s will likely be the shortest and slowest we face and he was not accurate or sharp!

Hoping as a fan to be wrong, but need Good Montez or else!
I agree with a bunch that you said. Pulling Montez a series for Lytle even if they just did vanilla plays might have been a good call just to settle down. Agree on the team looking just tired and worn out. Although CU beat CSU it was a high intensity game. Agree on not exploiting the short AFA dbs and Montez did have some overthrows, but it was not like the receivers we blowing past those DB's.

In watching the game twice, I did not think it was the overall amount of pressure, it was more where the pressure was coming from. Some of that is just props to AFA and could be Montez/OL not seeing the right read. Definitely the OL was not in sync... The false starts, procedure and bad snaps were odd. CU was playing at home, and last week the ****er's invaded, so the offense dealt with some crowd noise.

Frankly, I'm lost on Brady Russell. That holding call (which was holding) was in a bizarre place. The sack he gave up to the inside was ugly. I like the kid and he has made a bunch of good plays in the past. Maybe he got dinged up? Last year and this, a bunch of the time I cannot figure out what assignment he has. I know he lines up everywhere, but I'm not sure if he is a TE, HBack, Larger slot Receiver, backside blocker, or what role exactly. If they are going H-Back, I'd think they would try Beau Bish as he would be a quicker blocker and pass catcher. He is decent and has experience. Harris looks like the true TE. Russell does not seem to block like a traditional run blocker or pass blocker, and I do not see any defined pass route running. Maybe that is the allure? I'm not critical of him, but I'm just utterly confused on many plays.

We do need the good Montez. I think he just needs to get out and ball. Perhaps in some situations less thinking and just doing. I'd rather have him step into some throws and zip the ball, than play to avoid the mistakes. I have never liked seeing CU in a 4WR set throughout Sefo or Montez's tenure. That formation gives me the nerves!!
 

hawg1

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Montez was not sharp. In defense:

1) how many off schedule series due to penalties?

2) how many poor routes (not just Brown’s botch at end of game?

3) how many sacks?

4) how many holds?

5) how many flushes due to two OGs that had to be replaced?

6) how many botched safety valves by RBs?

He did not have a good game by any stretch. He also does not deserve all the blame.

He is who he is. Nothing more. But, he us the best of a weak lot.
 

cu2x

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an observation from the Broncos game: Flacco is nearly fearless in the pocket. His screen to PL came with 2 defenders within a foot of him. He stands tall and considers his options. I don't think this is something you can be taught. Maybe you learn it over the course of a season, but I think it's pretty much innate. I personally would likely be fetal within a second of the snap
 

SilvrGldBuff

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After watching the Cards/Ravens game, I really think they need to take the same approach with Montez that the Cards are with Murray. Cards have no protection, so they go with quick easy passes to set up rhythm- then take a few deep shots. Let the pass set up the run. AFA was giving our receivers 10 yards off the line of scrimmage. Line up trips left or right and let our playmakers make plays - AFA had no match for our skills outside. They were counting on eliminating YAC, which they need for a good part. However, you Lee making them make those tackles and they wear down and miss (like they did on the first drive and 2 goes yard). Use the quick passes to set up the run. I really think we got outcoached this week by worrying too much about the opponent instead of just game planning how we could dictate the pace of play. Very disappointing loss that I will not even go into should’ve could’ve would’ve (but I will say I was hoping they would have went for 2 and I would not have been disappointed if AFA denied us - would have come down to who wanted it more), but the better team won). AFA came prepared and executed. They were able to overcome their mistakes and hold on - had they not made those mistakes, we’d be questioning how we lost 41-10.
 
Consistency on offense is mostly on the QB. Every offensive line player can be graded and you can pinpoint their consistency and make changes...it is a fact that Montez has NOT improved in 2 plus years, even having a QB coach Roper last year (McIntyre must have recognized Montez's weaknesses then).
Remember, freshman at Alabama, and Clemson, took them to a National Championship, Lawrence for Clemson last year. You remember early in the year, Dabo Sweeney made him the starter and the other QB quit the team...(the kid wanted a National Championship ring and Dabo said no...) Experience is overrated vs talent...
The answer for Colorado is Blake Stenstrom, son of Steve Stenstrom, who was a Stanford Rose Bowl team's QB, he has the pedigree and is a stud...Coach Tucker should start him now and let him play out the year. Montez can back him up. Montez had a great game at Oregon when he was a Freshman, and ran and passed for 400 plus yards. Now he refuses to run like he is protecting his legs for the NFL...that is a pipe dream, other than free agency, unless he catches fire now. we do not believe he can QB a win over Arizona State, although they beat them last year in Boulder. ASU starts a freshman QB, so they are beatable if the offense can score some points...at a minimum, Coach Tucker should give Blake Stenstrom some snaps in games, because he is going to be the man next year, absolutely. Remember Buff fans, our two best every QBs were Kenny Johnson, 1971, a sophomore, and Darian Hagan, 1989, a sophomore also...Go Buffs!
 

Buffnik

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After watching the Cards/Ravens game, I really think they need to take the same approach with Montez that the Cards are with Murray. Cards have no protection, so they go with quick easy passes to set up rhythm- then take a few deep shots. Let the pass set up the run. AFA was giving our receivers 10 yards off the line of scrimmage. Line up trips left or right and let our playmakers make plays - AFA had no match for our skills outside. They were counting on eliminating YAC, which they need for a good part. However, you Lee making them make those tackles and they wear down and miss (like they did on the first drive and 2 goes yard). Use the quick passes to set up the run. I really think we got outcoached this week by worrying too much about the opponent instead of just game planning how we could dictate the pace of play. Very disappointing loss that I will not even go into should’ve could’ve would’ve (but I will say I was hoping they would have went for 2 and I would not have been disappointed if AFA denied us - would have come down to who wanted it more), but the better team won). AFA came prepared and executed. They were able to overcome their mistakes and hold on - had they not made those mistakes, we’d be questioning how we lost 41-10.
Isn’t the offense you suggest exactly what Chev tried to do with him last year?
 
Doesn't have a consistent arm. He has times, like the second halves of the last two games, when he is very accurate.

Consistency more the issue.

I do find it interesting how often fans immediately call for the QBs head. For his failings a lot of P5 teams would gladly have Montez.

If our backups where substantially better don't you think that our coaching staff is smart enough to recognize that and act on it?
I think Coach Tucker went with the most experience, but he is beginning to recognize the inconsistency, and mentioned in the post game interview that he doesn't care about young players, he wants best players on the field, and consistency is part of that...Montez is very average and has not improved in more than two years...when you are a senior, you cannot look like the deer in the headlights, just saying. Blake Stenstrom is a stud and he should at least get time every game with the 1s...and be ready to go because the change is coming. Coach Tucker is not going to stick with Montez very long if he doesn't get going...McIntyre stuck with him and does not have a job...
 
I think Coach Tucker went with the most experience, but he is beginning to recognize the inconsistency, and mentioned in the post game interview that he doesn't care if they are young players, he wants best players on the field, and consistency is part of that...Montez is very average and has not improved in more than two years...when you are a senior, you cannot look like the deer in the headlights, just saying. Blake Stenstrom is a stud and he should at least get time every game with the 1s...and be ready to go because the change is coming. Coach Tucker is not going to stick with Montez very long if he doesn't get going...McIntyre stuck with him and does not have a job...
 
I keep thinking of a Terry Bradshaw story from when he was a young QB and was taking a ton of heat from fans, coaches and teammates. He allegedly said to the team, "You can lose with me, but you can't win without me."

That might very well be the situation we are in with Montez.
McIntyre thought that, but I don't believe Coach Tucker thinks that way. He says every week that each player's job is up for grabs...now we find out for sure...
 
I'm done believing in Montez... whatever happens is gonna happens... he damn sure isn't a leader and he damn sure isn't a star player...
Here here...McIntyre tried it...Coach Tucker will figure it out, he has recognized the inconsistency...he has said since he took the job that every players job is up for grabs every week...now we find out who gets demoted from 1st team and who gets to start next week...btw, where is Daniel Arias, other than special teams??? We vote to start Blake Stenstrom, or at least get him some snaps in game with the 1s...
 

4BienemyTDs

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Here here...McIntyre tried it...Coach Tucker will figure it out, he has recognized the inconsistency...he has said since he took the job that every players job is up for grabs every week...now we find out who gets demoted from 1st team and who gets to start next week...btw, where is Daniel Arias, other than special teams??? We vote to start Blake Stenstrom, or at least get him some snaps in game with the 1s...
Six posts in a row!
You must have drank a lot of coffee today
Stenstrom is good and Lytle showed well
 

4BienemyTDs

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Here here...McIntyre tried it...Coach Tucker will figure it out, he has recognized the inconsistency...he has said since he took the job that every players job is up for grabs every week...now we find out who gets demoted from 1st team and who gets to start next week...btw, where is Daniel Arias, other than special teams??? We vote to start Blake Stenstrom, or at least get him some snaps in game with the 1s...
Are you Blake’s Aunt or Uncle?
 

Medford M.

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My biggest gripe about Montez isn't his footwork, it isn't his lack of processing ability, it's that he's completely changed since we saw him the first time against Oregon. He's 6'5" 235 lbs and a capable, not great, runner. During that first year and some into his first year as a starter, he would run when yards were available. He would lower his shoulder and try to run people over at times. Now...he won't run at all, he's afraid of contact. He's a gun slinger when he's at his best, and part of that mentality is making things happen when the play breaks down. I just don't understand how or why he's become so timid.
 

SilvrGldBuff

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Isn’t the offense you suggest exactly what Chev tried to do with him last year?
Being an OC for Cards HCKK, I would say it was the scheme - just suggesting that against AFA it would have got the offense going. Long term - i’m looking forward to seeing what HCMT has planned (with a dual threat QB). Unfortunately, we don’t have that this year. Really feel we need to game plan each game for what the opposing D gives us and this past week the quick pass to outside would have exposed our strength against their weakness.
 

SDB

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Consistency on offense is mostly on the QB. Every offensive line player can be graded and you can pinpoint their consistency and make changes...it is a fact that Montez has NOT improved in 2 plus years, even having a QB coach Roper last year (McIntyre must have recognized Montez's weaknesses then).
Remember, freshman at Alabama, and Clemson, took them to a National Championship, Lawrence for Clemson last year. You remember early in the year, Dabo Sweeney made him the starter and the other QB quit the team...(the kid wanted a National Championship ring and Dabo said no...) Experience is overrated vs talent...
The answer for Colorado is Blake Stenstrom, son of Steve Stenstrom, who was a Stanford Rose Bowl team's QB, he has the pedigree and is a stud...Coach Tucker should start him now and let him play out the year. Montez can back him up. Montez had a great game at Oregon when he was a Freshman, and ran and passed for 400 plus yards. Now he refuses to run like he is protecting his legs for the NFL...that is a pipe dream, other than free agency, unless he catches fire now. we do not believe he can QB a win over Arizona State, although they beat them last year in Boulder. ASU starts a freshman QB, so they are beatable if the offense can score some points...at a minimum, Coach Tucker should give Blake Stenstrom some snaps in games, because he is going to be the man next year, absolutely. Remember Buff fans, our two best every QBs were Kenny Johnson, 1971, a sophomore, and Darian Hagan, 1989, a sophomore also...Go Buffs!
Stenstrom went from 4th string to tied for backup without playing in the spring....engineer....qb in his Gene's.
 

zbuff

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Quick passes don't work when you're overthrowing them. As he said himself in his presser, Montez needs to step up and execute consistently.
 

GuySmiley

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My biggest gripe about Montez isn't his footwork, it isn't his lack of processing ability, it's that he's completely changed since we saw him the first time against Oregon. He's 6'5" 235 lbs and a capable, not great, runner. During that first year and some into his first year as a starter, he would run when yards were available. He would lower his shoulder and try to run people over at times. Now...he won't run at all, he's afraid of contact. He's a gun slinger when he's at his best, and part of that mentality is making things happen when the play breaks down. I just don't understand how or why he's become so timid.
I think getting him back in the "gunslinger" mentality is the key. One thing he demonstrated when he was younger was a quick release and throwing it with more zip. His shorter touch passes, the long ball, and the fades are better. He has thrown a few nice dimes every game. Probably the best he looked yesterday were a few of those throws over the middle to Harris into tight windows (one looked like it was into double coverage). Believe it or not, I am almost thinking that with three QB coaches and the changing offenses he may be over-coached. He is playing pretty conservative and minimizing take aways. It is almost Sefo like, but Montez has the better arm., which is his best attribute. With the good position players, I think he does need to take some chances and throw some 50/50 balls to see if our position players can come up with them. Also, really challenge the coverages. If he throws an interception over the middle on a tipped ball or one with too much mustard on it, that may be acceptable, if he racking up great plays. Actually, CU made quite a few 1st downs in all of the games; but it did not take over the games. I feel like in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line, he plays less conservative, throws caution to the wind, and just focuses on making plays.

I think he did get dinged in the 2nd quarter and that attributed to his down game. With all the penalties, TFL, bad snaps, and blown OL assignments, if he played freer it could be better. Also, I hope that he is playing not to get hurt. If he sees a scamper, he needs to take it. When he has swagger, he looks good. He is not an Alex Smith (that is not a good comparison b/c Smith is in the NFL) type game manager. For him, be more like Favre (in mentality), and take the bad and hope the good outweighs it. If he is going the game manager route, then the Buffs have to consistently run the ball throughout the game, as in each quarter.
 
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