Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Duff Man, Aug 7, 2008.
If he gets the same yards and TD, but with less turnovers, then that is statistically a successful season. But you are right, he has to have some good games against some good competition. Saying that Cody is in the lower half of QBs is not really a knock on the kid, either. This is a loaded conference for signal callers.
we need Cody to execute and not make mistakes. hopefully, Scott and a revitalized run game (OL attrition hurts here, but hey) will let him not feel he has to "make plays". he's a good decision maker with good instincts when he's not rushed or behind the chains in a big way.
though, 3rd down he needs to make the throws to keep some drives alive.
Personally I think Hawkins is a better QB than most give him credit for. I thought he did a great job last year being that he was a freshman. He almost had as many INT's as TD passes, but he ended the year strong and he only figures to get better IMO. We will need a big year from him, but if he can be like he was last year, we will be alright. Oh and I would have him over more than half the QB's in the Big 12.
I will paste this and highlight because I am lazy to type.
2007 (Fr.-RS)—He won the starting quarterback job and was named the starter midway through August drills, and starting all 13 games including the Independence Bowl. He responded by setting every major CU freshman passing and total offense record (he set 13 records in all, and tied two others) and earned honorable mention Freshman All-America honors from The Sporting News and collegefootballnews.com. In defeating both Nebraska and Oklahoma, he became the first freshman quarterback to defeat both in the same season (only two other quarterbacks did it, and for a total of four times). He was the recipient of the Derek Singleton Award, as selected by his teammates, for spirit, dedication and enthusiasm. He set freshman school records in passing yards (2,693), completions (239), attempts (424), touchdown passes (19) and interceptions (15); he was poised to set a single-season record in picks, but ended the regular season with 70 consecutive passes without throwing an interception (against four TDs). The interception count was a bit skewed, as seven were by deflection. As one of 16 freshman starting quarterbacks in the nation (8 at BCS schools) he recorded just the fifth 2,500-yard (or more) season in school history, tying for the third most for a season at CU. Among those 16 frosh, he finished in the top five in seven major passing categories, most notably second in attempts and completions and fourth in yards and TD passes. He also set a record for attempts in a season by any class while throwing the second most completions in any season. His 19 touchdown passes were the fourth most in a single season (record: 22, Koy Detmer in 1996), while his 15 interceptions tied for the second most in a single year (record: 16, John Hessler in 1997, followed by 15, Joel Klatt 2004). He had nine 200-yard passing games, tying the school record with six in a row at one point, with his season high his one 300-plus game, when he threw for 306 against Florida State. He opened his career by throwing at least one touchdown pass in his first nine games, setting a record for the start of a career as well as tying the overall one for any point during the season. He owned a 16-to-1 ratio of touchdowns to interceptions in the red zone, including the bowl game (2 TD, 0 INT); he completed 32-of-58 passes for 202 yards, converting 4-of-16 passing on third down, but 4-of-4 on fourth down. He finished up with minus-11 rushing yards, mainly attributed to 97 yards lost in sacks; he also scored three TDs and had a long run of 12 yards. He caught one pass for nine yards as well, showing his agility. In the bowl game against Alabama, he completed 24-of-39 passes for 322 yards and three touchdowns; the yards were the second most ever by a Buff in a bowl. Including the bowl game, he finished the year ranked eighth in the Big 12 and 44th in the NCAA in yard per game (231.9), was ninth and 80th, respectively, in passing efficiency (119.8) and 10th and 50th in total offense (230.5 per game). During the spring, he completed 24-of-41 passes for 314 passes (2 TD, 2 INT) in the four main scrimmages (in 11-on-11; in the spring game, he was also 15-of-23 for 182 yards and two scores in 7-on-7 drills).
And it's not like he didn't lose out to some of the top QB's in the confrence last year.
That is friggin impressive. Did not know that one.
I think Cody just needs to make some modest improvements.
Last season he completed 56% of his passes. That number needs to be increased to 60%.
Last season he threw 19 TD's. Given the fact that we've added Darrell Scott and Ray Polk to the offense, that number might be difficult to increase. Still, I think Cody should be able to throw an average of 2 TD's a game - which would put him up to 24 TD's on the season. I think 24/25 TD's would be a good goal.
Last season he threw 15 INT's. I think he should reduce that number down into the 10 or less range. Obviously, fewer INT's is better than more INT's.
Given the change in the offense, and the shift to a no-huddle spread attack (still not education on just how Scott/Polk are going to fit into that offense) I think it is possible Hawkins numbers will significantly improve.
His INT's went down towards the end of the year. He is going on 70 consecutive passes without one and he was almost perfect in the red zone.
Agree with a lot of what you guys are saying. I think Slade's goal are definitely realistic. I also think Mick's point about third down conversion is important. No other down in football challenges a QB than third down. We finished 11th in the Big 12 last year in that category. That has to change, especially with major question marks on defense.
This is who I would take Hawkins over in the Big 12
Joe Ganz NU
Austen Arnaud ISU
Josh freeman KSU (overatted)
Todd Reesing KU (Cause I think he's overatted as well)
Robert Griffen BU
Stephen McGhee A&M
Zac Robinson OSU
I would take Freeman, Reesing, and Robinson over Hawkins. I can understand the overrated comments on Freeman, but I think Reesing has more than proven himself to be a very good QB. He basically beat us with one or two huge plays he made scrambling last year. Finally, I think Robinson is a guy who might be the most underrated player in the Big 12.
hey now. don't you know Ganz is gonna win the Heisman? you have to admit he and Sam Keller going back-to-back is pretty impressive.
I think that's fair. A 25/10 TD/Int ratio would be fantastic. I could probably accept something more in the 20/12 or slightly better pretty easily, if Scott and Polk bring more scores via the running game as I think most of us expect...
I think the key to achieving what Slade and others are saying here is consistency. Cody definitely showed last year he can play at the level we're all looking for. What he needs to do now is play at that level a much higher percentage of the time. That's generally true of most players coming off their frosh years, though...
Good point about Reesing. I kinda forgot about his mobility
You might have forgotten about Robinson's mobility, too.
Robinson rushed for 850 yards last year for OSU. He also rushed for 9 TD's.
He also completed 60% of his passes, threw 23 TD's and only 9 INT's.
ya, I just haven't seen him enough yet to take him over Cody. I will get my chance this year.
Personally I don't feel like Cody got much help from the running game last year so I was surprised that statistically he did as good as the numbers that are being shown here. With the running game only having a few dominant performances it meant that Cody had to carry the team most of the time and everyone, especially the opposing defenses, knew he was going to have to put it up in the air if we wanted to stay in the game.
My prediction is that the running game will improve some this year but not enough to fully rely on which means Cody will still have to throw a lot and most teams will know it's coming. Statistically I expect about the same as last year from Cody (which was pretty good) unless he gets into some kind of a sophomore slump.
The '09 season will be the one when Cody starts to light it up. The running game will be very solid and Cody's qb rating will shoot through the roof as defenses will have to stop keying on him to cover the run.
I would definitely take Reesing - good arm, good decision making, and good mobility.
My main concern with the no huddle offense is that it requires the QB to make a lot of plays and I am not sure that CH is the type of player that can load the team on his back and win (few players are). He certainly is not going to make many plays with his feet.
That, combined with his height, is my big concern about the losses we've had at the G spots. If Cody gets pressure in his face up the middle, it creates BIG problems... :sad1:
like the aforementioned TIPS!
Colt McCoy- just not that good.
I think Cody will be just fine. He could have looked better last season with a little more protection, it's hard to pass effectively when you are worried about decapitation. If he would have played behind OU's line (and maybe with those wideouts) last year he would have looked Bradfordesque imo.
Also, it sounds like he is really taking over the team from a leadership standpoint. He will be similar to Klatt in that regard as time goes on.
Dont forget how many of those ints came from wide receivers not taking in the pass and effectively tipping the ball into the air. It could be said the throw should have been lower, but the wrs have to do a better job protecting the ball.
BJAX had the same issue. If Cody is going to take a step forward this season, the receivers have to take one as well. (Hopefully Simas gets eligible)
Pretty sure theres no chance of that.
Not much chance on Simas, but it sounds like Kiseau expects Celestine to be ready to go. We could do a lot worse than a top four of Williams, Smith, McKnight, and Celestine. Plus Riar Geer not being suspended is like a bonus.
Every pass Bjax through was into the ground. If the rules were you had to catch passes with your feet, Bjax would have been All-American
Cody's reachable goal should be 20/10 and 60% completion. Any positive movement in either of those categories beyond these numbers would be awesome, but with our newfound line issues and our WR corps still being as young as it is, I would be very happy with what I outlined above.
Until proven otherwise, Cody will play very well in games where the running game is effective and he will struggle in games where the running game struggles. He hasn't yet proven that he can put the team on his shoulders and win but hopefully the running game will be so strong this year that it's a non-issue.
in that case watch opposing teams defenses put 7-8 in the box and see if cody can beat them with his arm and/or legs.....
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