Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by NYbuffDIEHARD, Dec 28, 2012.
J_Ford@BeastmodeFord#BUFFNATION We will be in a Bowl game next season!!
Yawn. Wake me when they actually make a bowl game. Heard this song countless times before.
I don't want to hear this from players right now. Focus on know what to do on the football field.
J_Ford@BeastmodeFord#BUFFNATION We will be in a Bowl game next season!!
I sure hope so...cause this sittn' around watching sucks!
Josh Ford needs to get a shot. He produces whenever he gets the chance and is extremely determined and a hard worker. Having Abron and Ford on the sides and Powell deep in the diamond would be a nice little formation.
"1...2...3.... Bowl game!" sooo 2012
10 wins and no excuses Josh.
Good for you. I haven't watched a single one yet.
Let's not worry about wins next season, please. Let's see an improved football team.
The only person who should be guaranteeing a bowl game is the coach! Oh, wait. :sad1:
I like how some people think all you have to do is change coaches and voila there are six wins and a bowl.
We have a serious talent gap and that will take time to fix. In other words were not a post Neuheisel team. And were not in the WAC with a soft schedule.
Sat, Aug 31 Colorado State at Denver, Colo. TBA
Sat, Sep 07 CENTRAL ARKANSAS BOULDER TBA
Sat, Sep 14 FRESNO STATE BOULDER TBA
Pac-12 HOME (4)
Sat, Sep 21 - Sat, Nov 30 ARIZONA-CALIFORNIA-OREGON-USC
Pac-12 ROAD (5)
Sat, Sep 21 - Sat, Nov 30 Arizona State-Oregon State-UCLA-Utah-Washington
We have the players to compete with a good chuck of our schedule, we just didn't have the coaching. Embree took a team that was one win from a bowl game in 2010 to a 3 win team that was one of the worst in the country in 2011 and regressed even more in 2012.
One thing that I'm pretty excited about is Utah has to face both Oregon and Stanford from the north next year.
They duck Washington and Cal. Looks like we'll be seeing them at the bottom of our division for the next few years.
Had we won the games we should have based on talent last year Embree would still be the coach.
Looking at next years schedule there can be no excuses for not beating CSU, Central Ark, and Fresno in Boulder. On top of that we have to win at least two PAC games.
That still doesn't get us to 6 wins and a bowl but it makes a huge difference from where we are. Win some games and kids start believing they can and liking it. You also give recruits something to believe in.
I don't have a problem with players having confidence. What I want to see though is the focus and effort that turns confidence into results.
Anything less than 2-1 in the OOC and 2-7 in the PAC 12 should be un-acceptable. There's no real reason we can't/shouldn't win two out of three against Cal/Zona/Utah
Pretty much. I have no idea how this team will look.
I keep hearing that we have all this talent to win 5 or 6 games next year, I'm not sure I buy it. Isn't it possible that we had terrible coaches AND weak talent? Honestly, who's the best player on this team? Last year it was arguably a freshman running back who was recruited as a fullback. This team is not very good.
Well when your own player says that the schemes were so bad they would never work, you keep going deep to a slow WR, run the same zone stretch nearly every run, or run a screen on 3rd down it kind of tells the story. No this team doesn't have great talent but certainly enough to win at least 5 games. Utah has equal talent and went 5-7 this year and 8-5 last year. The difference was coaching.
And the best player was easily Will P.
It is definitely both.
I don't dispute the coaching was bad, but I'm not buying that we have 5-win talent on this team either. Our QB depth chart has 3 guys with 3+ years each on a BCS roster, yet everyone believes a RS freshman should win the job. That tells me a lot. Our hope in this teams "talent" lies mainly in young players we hope will be good. Proven talent on this team is almost non-existent (PRich and Bakh being exceptions).
Nobody with a clue thinks that this is a talented team. Over the past five years we have recruited badly and done a poor job of keeping the talent we do get. This is not a PAC 12 level roster right now.
That said we are talking about playing CSU. As bad as we are how many guys does CSU have that are better athletes than their counterparts at CU. When we recruit well the answer should never be more than 2-3 a year. As it stands we are bad but they are worse. Giving them the benefit of a doubt I would say they have 5-6 players who would/should be on the 2 deep at CU.
We are talking about an Arkansas directional school. How many athletes do they have? Less than CSU.
Fresno is better than the first two but they are a WAC/MWC school and we aren't talking a Boise. And we are playing at home.
Past those schools we then look at the PAC schedule. We don't belong within 20 points right now of USC or Oregon on our best day but the league also has some very bad teams in addition to us. With terrible coaching we won 3 games in the last two years in the league. With decent coaching we should be able to get at least 2 this year.
So lets see...
We went into halftime three points behind ASU (not saying we have more, but enough to be competitive with them at home) only to get beat 51-17 and not score in the 2nd half. We drilled Arizona two years ago at home and they get a new coach and they drill us at their place. We lost by 7 to Utah. Do you think they are much more talented than we are? We go on the road and beat WSU who won 4 games with a tougher schedule than we did. Why is that Utah who were are 1-1 against can win 5 but we can't? COACHING! And Wittingham isn't even that good of a coach.
I do not buy for one second that we don't have enough talent to win 5 games. When your offense is as predictable as the sun rising in the morning and your DC can't figure out how to stop a slant against a FCS team you know you have serious, serious coaching issues. I'm also not under the impression that we have great talent but certainly enough to win 5 games and certainly enough to not get beat 69-14 by a ****ing MWC or go winless at home for the first time in 110+ years.
I love taking a win over Fresno for granted. Good stuff.
I love that we already have a mythical five-win plateau that must be reached... before a single practice under a new head coach.
2 wins? That's your baseline? Seriously? You're talking about going 0-9 in PAC 12 play.
No I'm talking about 2 wins in the PAC plus OOC wins. It is still pretty low but frankly we aren't any better than that right now.
My point is that just playing decently in the games we should we get 4-5 wins. We are still terrible but not any worse than last year. No excuse for losing last year to CSU, and Sac State or getting killed by Fresno. This year no excuse for losing either of the first two and we should win the third. We haven't managed to go winless in the PAC under Embree, I can't imagine us doing it with a quality college coach and staff.
Ah sorry thought at the end you were talking about total.
Yeah 2-7 in the PAC is where I'm at right now with us beating Cal and Utah but I don't think it's out of question to beat Arizona either. 4-8 is my expectation for this year.
Mtn, you've got to be f**king kidding me about Fresno, did you watch the game this year? You have lost your mind if you can watch that game and argue we should beat them this year.
And Tini, yes I believe all those teams you named (Arizona, ASU, Utah) all have more talent than we do and frankly it's not close. Hysterical that you can use the ASU game to support your argument.
We were incredibly lucky to beat Wazzu, if those two teams played 10 times I think we lose 8.
I saw Fresno a couple of other times when they weren't playing a CU team that never got off the bus and they aren't that good. They are better than CSU but not as talented as an average to below average PAC team, they were a team that beat CU, Weber State, and a bunch of MWC teams. They are likely to have a new coach again as well. They are the toughest of the three OOC but CU should not lose to them at home. It shouldn't be a walkover but it should be a win.
Like they were very lucky to beat us last year at Folsom? Wazzu had Long and Wilson. That's it.
And yes we can argue whether we should beat Fresno at home. We are a much better home teams (errrr...usually). But we lost to Cal 52-7 and lost to them in OT. I'm not expecting a win but that one should be a good game. That Fresno game showed how undisciplined were.
I'll say it again--it will take time people. Let's not get caught up how many wins we'll get next season. We're in such a deep hole, I just want to see a positive trend. Also, I'd argue that it will take more than three years to make us competitive. NewMac built The Spartans up against WAC talent and WAC coaching. He won't have that luxury at CU.
I'd seen enough of Coach Embree to abandon patience. But I'll urge everyone to be patient with NewMac, as long as he's showing incremental progress and not significantly regressing.
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