Billy Madison."CU Football Camp -- Sponsored by Ashley Madison"?
Billy Madison."CU Football Camp -- Sponsored by Ashley Madison"?
You know, I don't have an issue with changing the name. Branding is important and it does sound as if the name of this camp causes confusion. My main issue was with the way that suggested name change was presented in the article.
I am pretty sure branding those who attend the camp is just going to make the problem worse....
The outrage over the name is silly, but can you at least admit that the name is insulting (insomuch as you recognize the concept) and sexist?
is there really outrage?
This is the real question. I'm not convinced there is any real outrage here. I'm more pissed at the author for trying to make an issue where none exists. Sloppy, irresponsible journalism, IMO.
I can't. No. Why is that insulting? It's a class designed to teach women some of the finer details of the game of football with the purpose of helping them be better, more informed fans. Why is it insulting to name a class "for women", when it's designed for women? The people who are insulted by it aren't people who would care about the game in the first place, so why are they wasting their time being insulted?
If there was a class labeled: "needlepoint for men". I wouldn't be offended. I simply wouldn't take the class. I also wouldn't feel the need to tell anybody how condecending it was to name the class "for men".
This is the real question. I'm not convinced there is any real outrage here. I'm more pissed at the author for trying to make an issue where none exists. Sloppy, irresponsible journalism, IMO.
Some University of Colorado alumni aren't thrilled about the school's "Football 101 for Women" clinic because they say it plays to stereotypes that female fans don't know about or aren't interested in sports.
It's the combination of "women" and "101" that's insulting.
I know that in your mind things aren't inherently insulting, instead that the responsibilty to be insulted or not lies soley with the receiver.
However, the goal of this class is, as I understand it, to engage an underrepresented demographic. The assumption revealed by the name is that women need to start with the very basics, thus the "101". That assumption isn't true, which is why I understand why some might find it insulting.
It's the combination of "women" and "101" that's insulting.
I know that in your mind things aren't inherently insulting, instead that the responsibilty to be insulted or not lies soley with the receiver.
However, the goal of this class is, as I understand it, to engage an underrepresented demographic. The assumption revealed by the name is that women need to start with the very basics, thus the "101". That assumption isn't true, which is why I understand why some might find it insulting.
I guess when I was in school I didn't know enough to be insulted when I had to take English 101.....
What if there had been a class called English 101 for Hispanics?
So a descriptive name is offense because someone may be a woman and interested in learning the basics of football but should get offended because the name?
I guess when I was in school I didn't know enough to be insulted when I had to take English 101.....
The outrage over the name is silly, but can you at least admit that the name is insulting (insomuch as you recognize the concept) and sexist?
I am pretty sure branding those who attend the camp is just going to make the problem worse....
What do you guys suggest as a name?
I don't believe the name is descriptive is the problem. I think the camp/class is a fantastic idea, but my impression is that it is designed to create an enviroment that is uniquely supportive of women and perpetuate interest in the sport at all levels of understanding. I didn't say anybyody "should" get offended. I believe that I indicated that it's not a surpise that somebody did.
It's a poor name--I wish they had gone a different direction with it.
But your English 101 class actually was a 101 level course. It's what you required. There's no insult in that. However, if you were accomplished in English already, but somebody assumed you belonged in a 101 level course, you might reasonably be insulted.
But I'm pretty sure you already knew that--I think you're intentionally missing the point here.
To who? The women who chose to go at their own free will? What was it for them? Are they just slaves to the sexist idology of the men in their lifes and they can not make a free will decision?
There is not one word in there that is inherentaly sexist nor demeaning to women. Nor is the grouping of such words. The outrage comes as a matter of convience. The person who wrote the article never chose to add voices from the women who attended the program and what what positive thoughts they might have had. Then used those quotes to further question the people that were interviewed for the article.
I will submit that the women who chose to attend this event, no matter it's name, are quite capable of judging for themselves what is really sexist. Furthermore, they sure as hell don't need some businesswomen sitting in their offices a thousand or two miles away telling them in a back handed way that they are slaves to some some sexist idology. Nor some internet posters saying that an event they chose to go to was insulting to women by its very name. These women are smarter than that and I would bet... know damn well its intent and aim and took the name for nothing more than it is. A name. Nothing was intended nor implied by it. It's just a name for a program.
People are way too afraid of words. If I may quote another user.
Football for FloosiesWhat do you guys suggest as a name?
I am not missing the point, just mocking it.
Slider...You stink.Oooh! Heh heh heh. Let's have a smell, all right? Oh, everyone likes their own brand, don't they?!
Is that still available?What if there had been a class called English 101 for Hispanics?
Mocking would be more relevant if your comparison was somehow apt, no? At least that's how I understand the concept.
I considered myself quite literate upon entry to University, but still it was suggested to me to take English 101, so yes, I think the comparison is apt. This whole thread is silly, just as the "controversy" around the name of the program. So, I reserve the right to hang around and get a good chuckle or two watching everyone get their panties in a wad about it.
Do you really believe that this is a camp that is exclusively designed for people who don't know the first thing about football, and also happen to be women? Because your post only makes sense in that context, and then, only barely.
If this is part of an integrated marketing outreach plan (aimed at all women), wouldn't it be prudent to not assume they are ****ing stupid on the topic of football? And if a female was actually literate in the sport, wouldn't it be a teeny bit insulting to her to assume she wasn't?
Are you under the assumption that it is required to attend if you are a woman and support CU football. The name describes the course and then you can read the full description and decide if it appeals to you.