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Official Bowl Games Thread

Buffnik said:
Admissions Requirements:

NCAA Clearinghouse = 4 years of English, 3 Math, 2 Natural/Physical Science, 1 more of either English, Math or Natural/Physical Science, 2 Social Science, 4 more of English, Math, Natural/Physical Science, Social Science, Foreign Language, Comparative Religion or Philosophy
Total Core = 16

University of Colorado = 4 English, 4 Math, 3 Natural/Physical Science, 3 Social Science, 3 Foreign Language (some schools allow 2 w/ 1 Core Elective)
Total Core = 17

University of Alabama = 4 English, 3 Math, 3 Natural/Physical Science, 4 Social Science, 1 Foreign Language, 5 more "Academic" (basically anything other than physical education or vocational)
Total Core = 15 +

When comparing CU and Bama, the details also matter. The additional Math requirement at CU is a level of college prep that is above Algebra I & II or Geometry. With English at CU, many of the schools require 2 years of composition which is an additional requirement. Physical Science at CU (most schools) requires 2 years of lab while the NCAA only requires 1. Foreign Language is a difficult one and cannot be substituted with other subject matter (UGA, for example, allows computer science to substitute).

The big thing, though, which we don't like to talk about, is that these requirements change if a prospective student is determined to have a learning disability. Getting the NCAA to approve an EID is pretty easy, can adjust the initial eligibility requirements, lighten the course load requirements to remain eligible and allows for a lot more academic assistance (such as the the tests being read to the student, among other things). This ESPN article lays out some of those details: LINK. Of note in that piece was the following:

That's where Monk set up camp, working on papers and other assignments with what she estimates were about 65 learning disabled athletes. She tells "Outside the Lines" that more than a third of the football team, and three-quarters of the basketball team, had learning disabilities. FSU spokesman Rob Wilson did not respond to requests by "Outside the Lines" for information on the number of learning disabled athletes who were in the program when Monk left.

By comparison, experts estimate that 5 to 10 percent of the general adult population has a learning disability.

So, when you hear "SEC Style" with academic support, what it means is that about 1/3 of the team is declared to have learning disabilities. It's not so much about the initial minimum admission requirements, though those are a bit easier. The bigger thing is that there are so many EID student-athletes who take their tests in the athletic building with those tests read to them, have their writing assignments tutored (which they can verbally dictate to the tutor), etc. In essence, you don't even need to be able to read in order to pass your college courses and stay eligible.
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Holy crap, Nik. You and Katie must be super tight to know all this stuff.
 
Buffnik said:
Admissions Requirements:

NCAA Clearinghouse = 4 years of English, 3 Math, 2 Natural/Physical Science, 1 more of either English, Math or Natural/Physical Science, 2 Social Science, 4 more of English, Math, Natural/Physical Science, Social Science, Foreign Language, Comparative Religion or Philosophy
Total Core = 16

University of Colorado = 4 English, 4 Math, 3 Natural/Physical Science, 3 Social Science, 3 Foreign Language (some schools allow 2 w/ 1 Core Elective)
Total Core = 17

University of Alabama = 4 English, 3 Math, 3 Natural/Physical Science, 4 Social Science, 1 Foreign Language, 5 more "Academic" (basically anything other than physical education or vocational)
Total Core = 15 +

When comparing CU and Bama, the details also matter. The additional Math requirement at CU is a level of college prep that is above Algebra I & II or Geometry. With English at CU, many of the schools require 2 years of composition which is an additional requirement. Physical Science at CU (most schools) requires 2 years of lab while the NCAA only requires 1. Foreign Language is a difficult one and cannot be substituted with other subject matter (UGA, for example, allows computer science to substitute).

The big thing, though, which we don't like to talk about, is that these requirements change if a prospective student is determined to have a learning disability. Getting the NCAA to approve an EID is pretty easy, can adjust the initial eligibility requirements, lighten the course load requirements to remain eligible and allows for a lot more academic assistance (such as the the tests being read to the student, among other things). This ESPN article lays out some of those details: LINK. Of note in that piece was the following:

That's where Monk set up camp, working on papers and other assignments with what she estimates were about 65 learning disabled athletes. She tells "Outside the Lines" that more than a third of the football team, and three-quarters of the basketball team, had learning disabilities. FSU spokesman Rob Wilson did not respond to requests by "Outside the Lines" for information on the number of learning disabled athletes who were in the program when Monk left.

By comparison, experts estimate that 5 to 10 percent of the general adult population has a learning disability.

So, when you hear "SEC Style" with academic support, what it means is that about 1/3 of the team is declared to have learning disabilities. It's not so much about the initial minimum admission requirements, though those are a bit easier. The bigger thing is that there are so many EID student-athletes who take their tests in the athletic building with those tests read to them, have their writing assignments tutored (which they can verbally dictate to the tutor), etc. In essence, you don't even need to be able to read in order to pass your college courses and stay eligible.
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Insightful post.

Arky has 50M+ academic facility for athletes.
 
I still think the academic argument is overblown. In the Pac-12, only three schools can really claim they go far above and beyond the NCAA minimums.
 
ESPN is replacing the National Championship Coaches Film Room with the MNF crew.:ROFLMAO::confused:
 
TSchekler said:
He does sideline reporting for games, and I'd still much rather have a group of established college coaches discussing in the film room than a very mediocre NFL crew.
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Agree about the MNF crew, just saying McShay knows his ****. Booger pays a ton of attention to CFB but I cringe thinking about Witten trying to formulate sentences about a college football game.
 
Secondary market for title game tickets seems to have completely cratered. Upper deck tickets now go for around a third of face value ($475) on Stubhub.
 
I would prefer to have Lincoln Riley and Brian Kelly sitting together in a snarky mood talking about the game. I actually cannot stand the coaches room, especially the awesome synergy between MM and Matt (Bastard) Rhule 2 years ago!
 
Wait, they seriously put the National Championship game in Santa Clara?

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The only upside to this is the national media's evisceration of this location for a major college football game will accelerate the Pac 12's move of the CCG to Vegas when the contract is up.
 
I heard on Sirius ESPNU radio that the Rose Bowl is not bidding on future games, which seems odd. The new LA stadium already has the game 4 years from now.

The hosts for the 2019 and 2020 games were announced on November 4, 2015.[9]
The hosts for the 2021 through 2024 games were announced November 1, 2017.[10]
 
CarolinaBuff said:
I heard on Sirius ESPNU radio that the Rose Bowl is not bidding on future games, which seems odd. The new LA stadium already has the game 4 years from now.

The hosts for the 2019 and 2020 games were announced on November 4, 2015.[9]
The hosts for the 2021 through 2024 games were announced November 1, 2017.[10]
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The rose bowl won’t move off of New Year’s Day so they won’t bid.
 
onealcd said:
The rose bowl won’t move off of New Year’s Day so they won’t bid.
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But the National Championship game is above and beyond any bowl that particular stadium hosts that year. There's still going to be a Sugar Bowl in 2020 and there's still going to be an Orange Bowl in 2021 even though those respective stadiums are host the NC game. Just like when Atlanta hosted the game last year there was still a Peach Bowl game.
 
CarolinaBuff said:
But the National Championship game is above and beyond any bowl that particular stadium hosts that year. There's still going to be a Sugar Bowl in 2020 and there's still going to be an Orange Bowl in 2021 even though those respective stadiums are host the NC game. Just like when Atlanta hosted the game last year there was still a Peach Bowl game.
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Not for them though, they don’t host a rose bowl and then a championship game a couple days later so the timing would have to work our perfectly and then they have to win the bid. That game in LA is probably their de facto double header.
 
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