pcbuff
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I want Lindsey too have a full NFL retirement package. So, longevity before my self interest of more touches. Like Mtn., I hope his utilization and effectiveness continue at this rate.
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Official Phillip Lindsay Really is the first undrafted rookie in the ProBowl Thread
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I agree with the desire for longevity and health. While the risk goes up with more touches, that's true for any NFL player. He's not physically built much different than Barry Sanders who had an ok run for 10 years. So there's at least one case where a RB of slight(er) build was successful (and reasonably healthy) as the primary back.
No question he has shown he is tough. There were games at CU when he got beat up and came back for more.
Reality is though that RBs wear out physically with an accumulation of hits. Each is different but they do wear out.
As big an issue though for me is that his effectiveness with the Broncos is in part due to how they are using him. The fact that he is gaining over 5 yards per touch at say 15 touches a game doesn't mean he will get 5 yards per touch on an additional 10 per game.
I love seeing him come in after the defense has had to tackle Freeman a few times with their hands on their hips breathing hard and here comes a fresh Phil ready to blow past them, through them, and/or around them. If Phil was all we had then yes use him more but what they are doing is working with both guys.
Not a huge amount of argument from me...Although it seems like Phil's performance to this point is significantly better (5.8 YPC vs 4.4 for Freemen, 15 receptions for 119 vs 4 for 21). I don't think that difference is based on how their using them. I'd like to see PL get more PT and gauge how he holds up. If he gets banged up or his performance decreases, then we know the answer. But if he can sustain it and stay healthy, why would you split? All I'm saying is that I'd like to see them game plan more touches for Phillip vs Freemen and see how it goes. We have no idea what the outcome would be since we haven't seen anything other than equal opportunities between the two.
Because if he gets banged up, the Broncos are down to one back they can count on. 2>>>>1
Bush carried a significantly higher load than Sproles ever did.
Sproles (5-6, 190) 172 games, 691 carries (4.0 per game), 3376 yards, 4.9 YPC, 536 receptions (2.8 per game)
Bush (6-0, 200) 134 games, 1286 carries (9.6 per game), 5490 yards, 4.3 YPC, 477 receptions (3.55 per game)
Dunn (5-9, 180) 181 games, 2669 carries (14.7 per), 10697 yards, 4.1 YPC, 510 receptions (2.81 per game)
Lindsay (5-8, 190) 6.5 games, 75 carries (11.5 per), 436 yards, 5.8 YPC, 15 receptions (2.3 per game)
Sproles only got 4 carries per game?
Huh. Seemed like he got closer to 10, but stats don’t lie.
In any event, the comparison remains: not every down backs but guys who present a challenge for the defenses when they’re in the game. I think Phil is very effective in this role and should be effective for a long time.
For whatever reason, I never really saw Warrick Dunn play much in the NFL. I’m just comparing Phil to players I saw more regularly.
Huh. Seemed like he got closer to 10, but stats don’t lie.
In any event, the comparison remains: not every down backs but guys who present a challenge for the defenses when they’re in the game. I think Phil is very effective in this role and should be effective for a long time.
For whatever reason, I never really saw Warrick Dunn play much in the NFL. I’m just comparing Phil to players I saw more regularly.
True - but either of them can get banged up on any given play. There are a fixed number of offensive plays in any given game. The probability of injury to either RB doesn't change whether PH plays 55% of the snaps or 45% of the snaps. Now that goes out the window if a player is more susceptible injury if they play more because they are out of shape or something, but that's not the case here.
I just do not see any reason to significantly alter the current situation. Both are playing well.
I used to think Sproles was the best comparison as well until I had a closer look at the numbers and he only has 13 career games with 10+ carries and 4 with 15+. His career high for a season is 94.
Sproles is the name that pops into mind when you think longevity for undersized RBs, but I think a very light workload helps here.
I don't disagree with your second statement - but I question whether the Broncos would be even more effective with more PL PT. That's all.
Plus - I really like to watch him play!
EDIT: and based on what Jens1893 says, looks like we're going to see this play out anyway. At least for one game.
SuperiorBuff
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My only problem is subbing after he gets a good run. Let the hot back roll.
Yea, PL needs more of that wildcat lifestyle.
PL is just an absolute breath of fresh air!!! I want him to have a long career, and the day he gets a legitimate contract with some real cash in his bank account, that will be a great day in America. That family will be forever changed. PL runs hard for his brother and his family, because he is the real chance to change their fate. One of the reasons I never cheered for Manziel, Rosen, or Darnold, as those families have already got it made.
Only thing I want PL to think about is getting up all fired up and talking crap to these big time Safeties and Linebackers that could come back and hit him so hard it could change his career. Maybe those guys appreciate his spirit, but do not say that to Burfict who would probably break his mom's leg if she talked smack to him.
Stay genuine Phil, we love you.
Only thing I want PL to think about is getting up all fired up and talking crap to these big time Safeties and Linebackers that could come back and hit him so hard it could change his career. Maybe those guys appreciate his spirit, but do not say that to Burfict who would probably break his mom's leg if she talked smack to him.
Stay genuine Phil, we love you.
Joe Theismann's Leg
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Remember when we were worried that he might not make the team? Ha!
The wildphil formation is easily my favorite thing about the NFL right now.
DrunkRalphie
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Taz is afraid of no man.
DrunkRalphie
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Drives me crazy when he only gets 15 touches a game. Should be 20+ every week.
The Broncos don't think you're crazy.
I think he definitely ends up at the pro-bowl, at the very least as a replacement. James Conner, Kareem Hunt and Melvin Gordon all have more yards than he does right now, but Phil as we all know has the amazing average better than those guys. But those are clearly the 4 best backs in the AFC this year, and those first 3 will likely all be in the playoffs so it is pretty likely that one or more drops out of the game if they were to be selected.
Dang, that's near to a 50% bonus.
It would be more if they let him get more snaps.