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Playoffs are really not that out of reach...

PhillyBuff said:
I said "we" referring to AllBuffs people agreeing about the fact that 3 teams from the Big 10 wont go.

The biggest dispute here is Wisconsin and Penn State. I evaluate Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin and Colorado on a game by game basis and do not give any credence to when the game was played. If you look at just the rankings of the wins and losses.... it is clear that:

IF CLEMSON AND WASHINGTON LOSE....
the top 4 should be:
Alabama
Ohio State
Michigan
Colorado

Wisconsin has an argument.... but PSU's resume is short of everyone on that list....

"WE" should be in the playoff if we win and Va Tech wins....
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At least you're clear on your criteria.

I disagree about the importance of "when". USC and Stanford are much more respectable to me given their win streaks, for example. Louisville is the opposite in my mind since I see them as a September anomaly until teams caught up to what they were doing.
 
buffedup said:
Sorry you aren't factoring in meaningful victories. Neither OSU or Michigan won the games they NEEDED to win. I can see OSU still getting in based on one loss, but Michigan simply isn't happening. The conference championships will knock them further down.
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cant believe that I am going to go down this road.... Michigan won 2 of the 3 games that they NEEDED.... they beat BOTH Penn State and Wisconsin..... BUt I don't even need to use their names to support my argument....
 
Buffnik said:
At least you're clear on your criteria.

I disagree about the importance of "when". USC and Stanford are much more respectable to me given their win streaks, for example. Louisville is the opposite in my mind since I see them as a September anomaly until teams caught up to what they were doing.
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Absolutely... if I used your (and SINKRATZ) criteria.... I would come to the same conclusion.... we don't agree on the parameters... so we are going to come to a different conclusion. I read the rules as turning a blind eye to everything but rankings. Then using head to head and conference champions as a secondary measure to break a close call. If the committee interprets the rules the way I do.... then Michigan is in first and we are in second IF VA TECH wins....

if the committee values conference champions more.... I look like Lt. Col. Frank Slade....
 
PhillyBuff said:
cant believe that I am going to go down this road.... Michigan won 2 of the 3 games that they NEEDED.... they beat BOTH Penn State and Wisconsin..... BUt I don't even need to use their names to support my argument....
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Dude, what part of not playing for the conference championship do you not get? Michigan absolutely had to beat OSU to advance to a championship. They lost. It's over. They will play in a nice bowl but no championships this year. You are going to be very disappointed when the conference championships are factored into the final CFP poll.
 
What is close to important as the "Conference Champion" tag is what it will also mean to the overall record.

When ranking Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State and Colorado this week, we're looking at 4 teams with 10-2 records who haven't won anything. Michigan beat the other 3, so clearly they should be ranked 1st among these teams.

After this week, we'll have a 10-2 team, a 10-3 team and two 11-2 conference champions. We'll no longer be comparing apples to apples.
 
BerkeleyBuff said:
Another reason I think that 8 playoff teams and P5 champ auto bids would be beneficial: encourages better out of conference scheduling because those games won't impact playoff potential nearly as much (win the conference and you're in, and the big SOS boost might help you out if you don't win your conference).
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welcome aboard Mr BerkeleyBuff...Your (nice)avatar and my avatar need to go hiking together?
 
Kirby Hocutt (CFP Chair) is on Rusillo & Kanell right now.

Really doesn't seem to want to hear it on Penn State. I think what's going unsaid with PSU is that the Sandusky scandal is a disqualification unless it was absolutely clear cut and it would be ridiculous to leave them out.

He's really doing his best to avoid giving any clarity whatsoever. He won't even confirm that a #4 Washington wouldn't fall behind a #5 Michigan by winning this week.

Pretty much bull****. Wasted my time on watching & on making this post, really.
 
Strange to see this talk of Michigan having a better resume than CU... CU has the better SOS, SOR and would be a conference champion. The only area where Michigan has the advantage is head to head.
 
TSchekler said:
Strange to see this talk of Michigan having a better resume than CU... CU has the better SOS, SOR and would be a conference champion. The only area where Michigan has the advantage is head to head.
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Which is a big deal. But no one is suggesting that Michigan should be ranked behind Iowa.
 
Buffnik said:
Which is a big deal. But no one is suggesting that Michigan should be ranked behind Iowa.
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Sure it is. But once the committee has to decide between CU and Michigan for #4, I would imagine they will factor in the Sefo injury, as well as the would-be MASSIVE mistake of putting 3 B10 teams in. I honestly don't give a **** about who Michigan has beat. They didn't win their division, they didn't play or (obviously) win their conference, their SOS is weaker than CU's their strength of record is weaker than CU's, and they've lost 2 of their last 3. GTFO out of here Michigan, YAUR SUSPECT!
 
Here's a question I have: Can you put Penn State in over Oklahoma State if both win their conference? The listed criteria includes "common opponents". Okie Lite beat Pitt. Also, going by common opponents, CU played Michigan much more competitively than PSU did. I honestly don't see a path to the Playoff for Penn State. Even if Washington or Clemson won along with Oklahoma (who PSU looks better than based on respective Ohio State games), PSU would still need to jump a Michigan team that beat them by 39 in order to claim that open spot.

While it certainly doesn't look like it on paper right now, I think that Penn State has actually been eliminated.
 
Buffnik said:
Here's a question I have: Can you put Penn State in over Oklahoma State if both win their conference? The listed criteria includes "common opponents". Okie Lite beat Pitt. Also, going by common opponents, CU played Michigan much more competitively than PSU did. I honestly don't see a path to the Playoff for Penn State. Even if Washington or Clemson won along with Oklahoma (who PSU looks better than based on respective Ohio State games), PSU would still need to jump a Michigan team that beat them by 39 in order to claim that open spot.

While it certainly doesn't look like it on paper right now, I think that Penn State has actually been eliminated.
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Penn State would have 11 wins to Okie State's 10, they have a better SOS, SOR and are ranked higher in the FPI. The Big 12 is a non factor in all of this. Neither OU or OSU are getting in regardless of what happens.

And I just can't see them putting 2 Big 10 teams in the playoff that didn't win their conference, and leaving the conference champion out.
 
TSchekler said:
Penn State would have 11 wins to Okie State's 10, they have a better SOS, SOR and are ranked higher in the FPI. The Big 12 is a non factor in all of this. Neither OU or OSU are getting in regardless of what happens.

And I just can't see them putting 2 Big 10 teams in the playoff that didn't win their conference, and leaving the conference champion out.
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Yep, OU, OkStU, and Michigan out. No matter what.
 
TSchekler said:
Sure it is. But once the committee has to decide between CU and Michigan for #4, I would imagine they will factor in the Sefo injury, as well as the would-be MASSIVE mistake of putting 3 B10 teams in. I honestly don't give a **** about who Michigan has beat. They didn't win their division, they didn't play or (obviously) win their conference, their SOS is weaker than CU's their strength of record is weaker than CU's, and they've lost 2 of their last 3. GTFO out of here Michigan, YAUR SUSPECT!
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That website lost all credibility when it said that Alabama has a 44% chance of making the playoff if they lose. that is ridiculous to suggest that a 2 loss team would jump a 1 loss Alabama.
 
14er said:
Yep, OU, OkStU, and Michigan out. No matter what.
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After it's all said and done, no matter the scenario that plays out, I see only 7 CFP contenders (in order of likelihood of making it):
1. Bama
2. Ohio State
3. Clemson
4. Washington
5. PSU/Wisconsin
6. Wisconsin/PSU
7. CU

Bama vs CU and a rematch for tOSU to prove it deserves the #2 spot with tOSU vs PSU
 
TSchekler said:
Penn State would have 11 wins to Okie State's 10, they have a better SOS, SOR and are ranked higher in the FPI. The Big 12 is a non factor in all of this. Neither OU or OSU are getting in regardless of what happens.

And I just can't see them putting 2 Big 10 teams in the playoff that didn't win their conference, and leaving the conference champion out.
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wait wait wait!!!!

Okie State has a Liufauness factor.... they actually won a game against Central Michigan because the last play "didn't happen."

That has to be factored in....
 
TSchekler said:
I don't recall mentioning a website in that post
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i could have sworn that i clicked a link and it took me to a website....

i am 42..... i am not up to date on the technology though....

I am up to date on the committee rules.... Michigan shouldn't be discounted..... they currently have a better resume than CU, Wiscy, and Penn State. They have better quality wins (although that could change this weekend for CU, PSU, and Wiscy).
 
PhillyBuff said:
i could have sworn that i clicked a link and it took me to a website....

i am 42..... i am not up to date on the technology though....

I am up to date on the committee rules.... Michigan shouldn't be discounted..... they have a better resume than CU, Wiscy, and Penn State.
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For the last time, no they don't. The only advantage they have is head to head. CU beats them in SOS, SOR, has one more win and a conference and division championship.
 
TSchekler said:
For the last time, no they don't. The only advantage they have is head to head. CU beats them in SOS, SOR, has one more win and a conference and division championship.
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no.. please... cmon... one more time....
 
as much as I want CU and Va Tech to win.... my gut says we will never know the answer because Clemson will beat Va Tech and Washington will beat us.... then all we did was fill the interwebz with non porn related gibberish.....
 
Unless they finish a season undefeated, PSU should be disqualified for Sandusky for the next 50 years. We paid more dearly for fake scandals than they did for harboring some of the most disgusting acts I have ever read about. I understand that penalizes the kids there now for sins past, but they made the choice to go there.
 
azbuff said:
Unless they finish a season undefeated, PSU should be disqualified for Sandusky for the next 50 years. We paid more dearly for fake scandals than they did for harboring some of the most disgusting acts I have ever read about. I understand that penalizes the kids there now for sins past, but they made the choice to go there.
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why does the undefeated matter? PSU should be penalized..... I know for a fact that Paterno knew about this and just wanted it to go away. He just banned Sandusky from being around HIM.... and didn't want to deal with it. Paterno was not a leader in this situation and I feel that he had a moral obligation to inform the authorities.
 
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