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Sunshine Slam- Men's bball hosts Milwaukee (Tues., 11/14, 7:00 PM) & in Daytona Bch. to face Richmond (Mon., 11/20, 6:00 PM MT) & FSU (Tues.,2:00 PM)
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Yeah, there were definite issues here and there but if our two best players don’t shoot 3 for 947, we win that game.
Even with the bad start in OT we still had a couple of chances but Hammond had the turnover following an FSU turnover and about a minute later after another FSU turnover we had the missed layup followed by the missed 3
If that was the game in a nutshell, Florida State would've won by 30. Terrible sequence, but a huge portion of this board needs to get their football lenses off and remember basketball is a game of ebbs and flows. All the bad stretches are not this team as a whole, just as the roaring 10-0 run after FSU seemed to be in control of the game is not the team as whole.
One thing I’m happy about is that the team has now decided it’s time to let Cody work through some growing pains running the point. It’s gonna cause us some heartburn now but it’ll pay off later in the season. I’m really glad Tad and Co gave him that responsibility at times against a pressing long team like FSU.
Marathon, not sprint.
Marathon, not sprint.
I will add though that this game is why @RumblinBuff and I have had numerous discussions about TDS being on the all-P12 team and why we’re having a hard time seeing it. Some of it is that it’s hard to take over a game from the 4 spot in general in college hoops but he just is too damn passive at times. It’s hilarious to me to see people saying Cody is passive (when IMO it’s more calculating… he’s doing the CP3 where he is waiting for his moment) and not saying anything about TDS.
Dude HAS to be better. And I think he will be but I’m not sure I’m ever going to be fully confident in him.
Dude HAS to be better. And I think he will be but I’m not sure I’m ever going to be fully confident in him.
By “in a nutshell” I mean not valuing the ball, making lazy passes and getting out hustled. Not that we played that way for 40, err, 45 minutes. FSU is picked at the bottom of the ACC! They aren’t supposed to be good.
Yep. I believe it's a game that CU should have won, but if any other team lost in OT to FSU at an early season tournament in Daytona Beach it's not like I'd have a strong reaction to the upset.
Frustrating game, should've won it. Gross. Gotta be better against CSU and Miami
1) I refuse to read this whole thread
2) after the 1st 3 possessions of the 2nd half, I would've recommended we bench TDS for the remainder of the game
3) Cody did nothing wrong, and remains precious.
4) I *always* slander TDS, per standing policy.
Forgive me for my frustration! Luckily I have no hair left to have pulled out. But that game was beyond frustrating. Good for you for being so grounded.
Birch1
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TDS is passive without Cody’s ball handling and vision. So it’s doubly so.
Birch1
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Cody is going to be a great player. He needs some pep in his step when bringing the ball up, too often he looked like Collier (soft passes, hesitant, etc). But he’ll grow into it.
Luke
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I appreciate Goose saying FSU is 69 on KenPom. Looking at KenPom:
CU is at 31 - Arizona & UCLA (?Maybe giving Bruins advanced credit for beating Gonzaga tonight?!) only PAC-12 teams ahead of us.
Florida is 35- who just beat FSU
Miami FL is 34- our Dec. 10th game
FSU- at 69 is 9th rated ACC team right now
I found it interesting that Coach Hamilton of FSU said after last year‘s poor season, that he didn’t get the memo re: all the other ACC teams going hard on portal-When he brought in six freshman last year. So he went after some transfers that are already out-playing expectations. Watkins averaged 9/4/1 at VCU; & now averaging 14/6/4 at FSU. Hopefully loss doesn’t hurt our Stength of Schedule as much as it looks like now.
I appreciated KJ saying he took too many shots in post-game comments. During 2nd half I liked that Cody waved KJ off, when KJ was asking for handoff, & Cody ran offense instead. Freshman directing traffic is 1 of many good signs from him. FSU has got to be one of the hardest teams to prepare for. Tad said post game you just can’t replicate what they do in Practice. But I agree with everyone here that we should have won.
Regarding AP poll & early-season upsets: looks like it may be another season of parity on the horizon for this year. First 17 teams look solid, including only 5 w/ 1 loss. Next 18 -20 look like they may be juggling positions a lot- including the 6 that are still undefeated in that second group. So it does feel like Buffs stay closer to Top-20, than Top-35 this year. Assuming we don’t stumble much more. But maybe I’m just trying to rationalize the loss?!
CU is at 31 - Arizona & UCLA (?Maybe giving Bruins advanced credit for beating Gonzaga tonight?!) only PAC-12 teams ahead of us.
Florida is 35- who just beat FSU
Miami FL is 34- our Dec. 10th game
FSU- at 69 is 9th rated ACC team right now
I found it interesting that Coach Hamilton of FSU said after last year‘s poor season, that he didn’t get the memo re: all the other ACC teams going hard on portal-When he brought in six freshman last year. So he went after some transfers that are already out-playing expectations. Watkins averaged 9/4/1 at VCU; & now averaging 14/6/4 at FSU. Hopefully loss doesn’t hurt our Stength of Schedule as much as it looks like now.
I appreciated KJ saying he took too many shots in post-game comments. During 2nd half I liked that Cody waved KJ off, when KJ was asking for handoff, & Cody ran offense instead. Freshman directing traffic is 1 of many good signs from him. FSU has got to be one of the hardest teams to prepare for. Tad said post game you just can’t replicate what they do in Practice. But I agree with everyone here that we should have won.
Regarding AP poll & early-season upsets: looks like it may be another season of parity on the horizon for this year. First 17 teams look solid, including only 5 w/ 1 loss. Next 18 -20 look like they may be juggling positions a lot- including the 6 that are still undefeated in that second group. So it does feel like Buffs stay closer to Top-20, than Top-35 this year. Assuming we don’t stumble much more. But maybe I’m just trying to rationalize the loss?!
Medford M.
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People look at game results and forget that FSU is pretty freaking loaded, talent-wise.
Birch1
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While FSU isn’t necessarily a top tier team, they present some real challenges with their length/defense, and will likely upset some other teams because of it. It’s a good game to get out of the way early, so we can test ourselves and see what needs to be done. I also love that it came as a back to back.
KJ should have gleaned a lot from this, as well as Cody. My worry is TDS. His play was tentative, passive, and basically like a freshman (no offense to Cody). His was the only performance that gave me any ominous feelings for the season. KJ will bounce back and adapt, Cody will simply improve with every game. But TDS? I don’t know. I’m kind of secretly hoping he was sick or hungover or something.
KJ should have gleaned a lot from this, as well as Cody. My worry is TDS. His play was tentative, passive, and basically like a freshman (no offense to Cody). His was the only performance that gave me any ominous feelings for the season. KJ will bounce back and adapt, Cody will simply improve with every game. But TDS? I don’t know. I’m kind of secretly hoping he was sick or hungover or something.
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Love TDS, but tell me he didn't look drunk out there. Bro was clanging shots, passing the ball to defenders directly in front of him, tripping over his feet, looking generally disinterested, etc. It was weird and reminded me of when me and the boys would play open gym lunch ball after getting wrecked the night before.
Anything that takes the ball out of Hammond's hands, particularly in crunch time, is okay by me.
cu3x
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TDS will be a good pro because he won't be expected to take charge and lead a team.
We were intimidated, or at least made uncomfortable, on in-bound plays, when passing, when driving to the hoop. With those issues and not shooting well, I was surprised we made it to OT.
Over the years, the team is reflective of Tad's personality. Almost all the players are nice guys. It's hard to complain about that, but sometimes I wish they were a little meaner.
We were intimidated, or at least made uncomfortable, on in-bound plays, when passing, when driving to the hoop. With those issues and not shooting well, I was surprised we made it to OT.
Over the years, the team is reflective of Tad's personality. Almost all the players are nice guys. It's hard to complain about that, but sometimes I wish they were a little meaner.
