Most likely they already are. They can't publicize it until they are ready to bring tax charges
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Most likely they already are. They can't publicize it until they are ready to bring tax charges
They'd have to go back and audit those tax returns. I think they will go back as many as 7 years but don't quote me on that. They would have to track the incoming funds and then make the players prove they declared it as income and paid taxes in it. In most cases, the NBA player would just settle and write the IRS a check.
the smart ones would be paid in cash and make street deposits / withdrawals
I can't even tell if you are arguing or agreeing with me with the above retort.
Converse paying NBA players and coaches to wear their shoes with small change in no way resembles these charges brought by the FBI. It's not the amount of money, it's the bribery, bogus financial transactions, tax evasions, not to mention NCAA violations that occurred, none of which are associated with Chuck Taylor and co.!
Here's my experience: most people snitch if given the chance and the promise of reduced punishment, white collar criminals are the most likely of all to snitch.
There are some defendants who will never snitch because of feelings of honor or loyalty, some who don't want to face the consequences of snitching (both in prison and afterwards when they have to go back to their neighborhood), and some who try to snitch but cannot piece together a truthful or even coherent story because they are pathological liars. The choice of lawyer has some effect of the decision to snitch. An experienced, capable attorney can tell a guy just what benefit he can expect by snitching. If the expected benefit is probation instead of prison, the motivation to snitch is high. If it's the difference between 30 months in jail and 18 months in jail, some guys feel that it's not worth it.
Here's the wildcard in all this: Though this is a media case, chances are that whatever Manhattan judge gets assigned will not give two ****s about NCAA basketball recruiting. These judges deal all the time with serious crime: RICO cases (street "gangs," international cartels, mafia) involving narcotics, extortion, murder etc.; also big ass financial cases (Madoff-like fraud, insider trading, etc.); terrorism; along with your run-of-the-mill drug, gun, robbery, immigration, child porn, pimping, etc. cases.
I'm not sure one of these judges is going to see "cheating" during college recruiting as a particularly immoral act. Don't get me wrong though, they could definitely get a judge who would hammer them regardless, but it's almost as likely that they will get a judge who thinks it's a ridiculous case.
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Nike didn't start the payment concept but they are responsible for it becoming the multi-million dollar business it is now. Will Nike get involved in this legal situation? So far they haven't. Hard for me to believe that they aren't involved at some level, to much money involved for them not to be.
And Phil Knight will not be touched by this thing personally.
The IRS can only go back 7 years if you ****ed up your taxes unintentionally, i.e. you're only looking at civil penalties (the old "I'm sorry, I really thought I could deduct this or didn't have to declare that" defense).
Now, if you did it intentionally (and "forgetting" to declare a couple hundred grand (in payments or in income) is sort of hard to argue is unintentional), that's a criminal violation, and the statute of limitations is much, much longer (somewhere in the 20-30 year range).
Exactly what I said.
MCskid
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This is going to be fun and interesting to watch unfold. Would not be surprised to see it eventually end up with a special prosecutor, rico laws used against athletic departments, etc. Gotta figure football is in the FBI's sights. Would not be surprised if somewhere between 40-60+% of P5 schools are dirty. This could be what finally brings the whole house of cards down, which would be great if it got rebuilt correctly(but seeing as the mob and cartels never change when they get busted kinda doubt the ol' Ncaa would either).
7x7 clubs, performance coaches, private coaches/trainers beg to differ
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ahoelsken
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One would think so. I think the sports are different animals. An 18 year old football player isn't ready physically or mentally for the NFL, thus the three year rule. I think the AAU and the one and done rule allowed for this-The one and done kids are on campus for seven months, and the characters involved in this type of stuff are seeing returns on the 100k they might funnel a family within a year.
So put this in the context of the basketball scandal- how are these camps used to funnel payments to players in return for their commitment to certain schools?
No way these schools take the punishment for what's going on systematically throughout college athletics . Sanctions and penalties , yes, but death penalties seem a bit harsh.
c'mon man, everyone needs a good scapegoat! who shall we string up and mock while systematically ignoring others?
Pitino and Louisville is fine with me...
No doubt that there are dirty football programs and there are individuals out there who take advantage of their access and influence over athletes for personal gain.
Huge difference is in scale. Certainly there are highly desired players. Fans of opposing schools accused us of cheating when we signed Darrell Scott. Each year there are a number of prospects who inspire the rumors.
Football though requires multiple players to make a real difference. If the top recruit in the nation goes to Cal they are still going to be Cal, they aren't suddenly contending for the conference title. In basketball one player can turn around an entire program, get a kid to come for one year before he goes in the NBA lottery and you take a team from middle of the pack to at least a decent seed in the tourney. One kid can mean millions of dollars, he can also mean the kind of prominence that leads other kids to follow him.
I'd be happy for them to include USC and Arizona in the line of fire, too. Would give us some more time to build a more established program in the conference.
Some random comments reading through this thread after work:
1. Unlikely that any school receives the "death penalty" but Louisville activity could warrant it. They were paying huge money only days after being penalized for hooker parties.
2. I often read that the NCAA turns a blind eye to much worse matters like rape and murder, and paying players isn't that big of a deal. I understand the point and I think there is a strong case to pay the players. However, the NCAA is not there to handle criminal matters. It's there to enforce rules of amateur athletics, even if it's rife with all sorts of hypocrisy. They are not criminal prosecutors.
3. Is college sports really anything more than a minor league with no rules or salary cap? What is Kentucky? Is it more than just a gym in Lexington that pays better than a gym in Boulder? I struggle being a fan. My heart loves it, but my head says I'm wrong to watch college athletics. But then I remember the many smart players I met at CU, as good as any "regular" student, and it makes me feel better. I believe in the purpose of college athletics, but question the execution.
4. If Nike gets implicated, will Phil Knight be barred from giving to Oregon athletics? I believe the NCAA can do that. Almost like slapping him with a show cause. Never going to happen, but fun to imagine.
1. Unlikely that any school receives the "death penalty" but Louisville activity could warrant it. They were paying huge money only days after being penalized for hooker parties.
2. I often read that the NCAA turns a blind eye to much worse matters like rape and murder, and paying players isn't that big of a deal. I understand the point and I think there is a strong case to pay the players. However, the NCAA is not there to handle criminal matters. It's there to enforce rules of amateur athletics, even if it's rife with all sorts of hypocrisy. They are not criminal prosecutors.
3. Is college sports really anything more than a minor league with no rules or salary cap? What is Kentucky? Is it more than just a gym in Lexington that pays better than a gym in Boulder? I struggle being a fan. My heart loves it, but my head says I'm wrong to watch college athletics. But then I remember the many smart players I met at CU, as good as any "regular" student, and it makes me feel better. I believe in the purpose of college athletics, but question the execution.
4. If Nike gets implicated, will Phil Knight be barred from giving to Oregon athletics? I believe the NCAA can do that. Almost like slapping him with a show cause. Never going to happen, but fun to imagine.
The IRS even has a form where you can report someone who is not reporting income. Form 3949-A. You can even get a piece of the recovery.
One other thing that I haven't seen associated with this. So far the focus has been on current coaches and players as well as the shoe company reps and the "street agents." What we are hearing though is exchanges of tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars. How long till the IRS decides to get involved and if they do does it reach into former NCAA players and their families including current NBA players?[/QUOTE]
One other thing that I haven't seen associated with this. So far the focus has been on current coaches and players as well as the shoe company reps and the "street agents." What we are hearing though is exchanges of tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars. How long till the IRS decides to get involved and if they do does it reach into former NCAA players and their families including current NBA players?[/QUOTE]
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