Colorado - Stanford Game Thread

[SECOBuffsFan]

That may be true, but that also could be because JHop and Fletch have REALLY high ceilings - as in "All-Pac-12 and NBA Draft pick" ceilings.

I still think with DT we can expect him to be Austin Dufault with a better offensive game when he's done.

I am good with DT having the kind of career Dufault had for CU. Not everyone is gonna be a NBA type player coming through here. I thought Dufault did what he had to do to get better every year. DT can do the same thing.

 

[Junction]

You like sitting in internet chat rooms by yourself? there's a word for that...

BCS?

 

[PuebloBuff]

I had the Dufault comparison in mind too. Didn't mean to suggest by quoting your post you didn't get what the others bring to the table. I just have some residual pissiness left over from all the shooter talk. Last night was the first time in a while we've put in a good Tad ball game and it was nice to see some stops.

That may be true, but that also could be because JHop and Fletch have REALLY high ceilings - as in "All-Pac-12 and NBA Draft pick" ceilings.

I still think with DT we can expect him to be Austin Dufault with a better offensive game when he's done.

 

[PuebloBuff]

+1

I am good with DT having the kind of career Dufault had for CU. Not everyone is gonna be a NBA type player coming through here. I thought Dufault did what he had to do to get better every year. DT can do the same thing.

 

[Buffnik]

You like sitting in internet chat rooms by yourself? there's a word for that...

I went in thinking we'd have game chat. And then I went full-blown superstitious nutjob when the Buffs started playing well. So I changed nothing. I'm not sure that it caused the Buffs to win, but if I'd changed anything it may have caused the Buffs to lose.

 

[Buffnik]

End of the game coaching sucked. Two bad offensive possessions both coming out of timeouts-the patented run down the shot clock then hope for a miracle (never even hit the rim). Then the parting of the red sea defense on Randell even though a three-pointer or three point play via foul still wouldn't have given them the lead. Then we have our best free throw shooter in-bounding the ball to a player shooting 18% below what he is. Finally again we don't foul up three which I'll never understand and subsequently despite them having little time left and us knowing they need a three we allow a guy who was 4/6 from three a great look to tie the game.

Regarding the endgame scenarios: I'm just going to say that Tad knows what he's doing. I also get frustrated and question a lot of the decisions or lack of execution. But it's a bottom line business. Buffs are 7-1 this year in games decided by 5 points or less. And that's with a frighteningly young team.

 

[RollTad21]

Regarding the endgame scenarios: I'm just going to say that Tad knows what he's doing. I also get frustrated and question a lot of the decisions or lack of execution. But it's a bottom line business. Buffs are 7-1 this year in games decided by 5 points or less. And that's with a frighteningly young team.

I've seen that stat before, and a similar one for games decided by 10 points or less. The problem is if you go back and look, the buffs had a double digit lead in most of those games and let the other team back in it at the end. Also, I think another issue with the fouling up 3 situation is that the other team is going to be shooting a 3, if you tell your team you're going to foul, and someone is late coming off a screen or something and fouls the guy while he is shooting that could turn into a 4 pt play. Unlikely situation, obviously, but you never know. When you just play straight up defense they kids don't have to change their defensive mindset.

 

[SECOBuffsFan]

End of the game coaching sucked. Two bad offensive possessions both coming out of timeouts-the patented run down the shot clock then hope for a miracle (never even hit the rim). Then the parting of the red sea defense on Randell even though a three-pointer or three point play via foul still wouldn't have given them the lead. Then we have our best free throw shooter in-bounding the ball to a player shooting 18% below what he is. Finally again we don't foul up three which I'll never understand and subsequently despite them having little time left and us knowing they need a three we allow a guy who was 4/6 from three a great look to tie the game.

Up four, the worse thing you can do is foul on a lay-up and give them a +1 free throw...especially the way they were getting offensive rebounds on free throw misses

Josh Scott threw the ball in because they were pressuring the ball. Do you want a 6'10 player inbound over a 6'7 defender or a 6'2 player inbound the ball around a 6'7 player

Boyle doesn't believe in fouling up 3....your just gonna have to get over that

 

[slider]

I think we can nitpick Tad all we want, but this is a results oriented business. We're not a basketball power by any means and he has us in 3 straight tourney's with no end in sight (could easily be 4). Last night we won our 21st game which is the most regular season victories in CU history. In Tad we trust.

 

[Darth Snow]

Tadball is ugly. but it wins. deal with it people.

 

[hokiehead]

I went in thinking we'd have game chat. And then I went full-blown superstitious nutjob when the Buffs started playing well. So I changed nothing. I'm not sure that it caused the Buffs to win, but if I'd changed anything it may have caused the Buffs to lose.

it's only weird if it doesn't work

OTOH, I've heard it's bad luck to be superstitious.

 

[sackman]

Tadball is ugly. but it wins. deal with it people.

This.

We're experiencing an unprecedented run of success for CU basketball. We've NEVER been as good as we are now. Four straight years of 20+ wins? Are you kidding me? People who get on Boyle have no idea how bad CU basketball was.

 

[rolandftw]

As one of the more outspoken critics of that 10 minute, 2nd half stretch that we had last night, I have to say I'm not trying to rip Tad or even the team. He's obviously had a lot of success here that is unprecedented. I am not arguing that he should be fired or have his salary reduced or something crazy like that.

I just don't think the tenets of "Tad ball," defense and rebounding are mutually exclusive with the offense that we displayed for those 10 minutes. You can have a team that plays great defense, controls the glass AND have a more efficient half court set. You never apologize for a road win against a likely tournament team but that game should not have been as close as it was at the end.

 

[Darth Snow]

As one of the more outspoken critics of that 10 minute, 2nd half stretch that we had last night, I have to say I'm not trying to rip Tad or even the team. He's obviously had a lot of success here that is unprecedented. I am not arguing that he should be fired or have his salary reduced or something crazy like that.

I just don't think the tenets of "Tad ball," defense and rebounding are mutually exclusive with the offense that we displayed for those 10 minutes. You can have a team that plays great defense, controls the glass AND have a more efficient half court set. You never apologize for a road win against a likely tournament team but that game should not have been as close as it was at the end.

Tad thinks offense just happens if guys are smart. That's a simplification, but I think that's a fair approximation.

Post game, Ski was talking about how Tad didn't even mention the offense during timeouts in the 10 minute scoreless stretch. Instead, he just told them to keep playing defense and worked on shoring that up.

 

[Scotch]

Tad thinks offense just happens if guys are smart. That's a simplification, but I think that's a fair approximation.

Post game, Ski was talking about how Tad didn't even mention the offense during timeouts in the 10 minute scoreless stretch. Instead, he just told them to keep playing defense and worked on shoring that up.

and it showed. When empty possessions start to pile up it'd be nice to see some adjustments.

Don't get me wrong, I love where Boyle is taking this program. Like you said Tad ball can be ugly, but he wins.

 

[buff4bcs1985]

BCS?

:lol: dick

 

[rolandftw]

Tad thinks offense just happens if guys are smart. That's a simplification, but I think that's a fair approximation.

Post game, Ski was talking about how Tad didn't even mention the offense during timeouts in the 10 minute scoreless stretch. Instead, he just told them to keep playing defense and worked on shoring that up.

Interesting. I honestly don't know what Tad's offensive system is. Do believe an assistant that specialized more with stuff on the offensive side of the ball would help a lot. Don't know if that person is already on the staff

Definitely do not believe offense or defense just happens because a player is smart. Believe it is a combination of a player's natural talent, the coaching staff's maximization of that talent, and the overall chemistry of the players on the team

 

[cubuffs85]

Attendance: 4,558

Why GameDay didn't even seriously consider Furd even after Spencer was lost for the season.

 

[BuffNut99]

I like how Tad forces the team to figure things out on the court, on the fly, without calling a bunch of TOs and getting the whiteboard out. That disastrous stretch (2 pts in, what 9 minutes?) happened because nobody had confidence on offense, nobody wanted to take the shots. XJ and Ski were struggling, but both made keys plays to get us out of that funk and back in control.

21 wins folks, three straight tourneys (should be four), absolutely unheard of around here.

 

[cubuffs85]

I'm a Bronco fan and really actually like Sherman. I think he is pretty funny. I don't like the interview when the game is actually happening but during timeouts it is fun. I didn't need 400 shots of him and Luck in their seats though.

I didn't mind the interview really at all, Walton always goes off-topic. What I did mind was ESPN not returning to the game as soon as the A&M/Mizzou contest ended. I understood they wanted to show the finish, fine -- sorry you didn't get to air your commercials as a result, but go back to my game ASAP.

 

[CVilleBuff]

I like how Tad forces the team to figure things out on the court, on the fly, without calling a bunch of TOs and getting the whiteboard out. That disastrous stretch (2 pts in, what 9 minutes?) happened because nobody had confidence on offense, nobody wanted to take the shots. XJ and Ski were struggling, but both made keys plays to get us out of that funk and back in control.

21 wins folks, three straight tourneys (should be four), absolutely unheard of around here.

Timeouts are there for a reason. Prolonging our scoreless runs or not attempting to break up a run by our opponent is puzzling and frustrating, IMO.

 

[cubuffs85]

I like how Tad forces the team to figure things out on the court, on the fly, without calling a bunch of TOs and getting the whiteboard out. That disastrous stretch (2 pts in, what 9 minutes?) happened because nobody had confidence on offense, nobody wanted to take the shots. XJ and Ski were struggling, but both made keys plays to get us out of that funk and back in control.

21 wins folks, three straight tourneys (should be four), absolutely unheard of around here.

Like Goose said, we might not like how Tad does certain things and we can complain all we want, but at this point he's not likely changing. His formula as a whole is working A LOT better than what we had before. I'm not saying he's immune from criticism and things like not fouling in those situations is infuriating, but wishing otherwise just isn't happening.

 

[cubuffs85]

You like sitting in internet chat rooms by yourself? there's a word for that...

I'm not a superstitious person -- I don't think what I'm doing has any bearing on an event happening 3k miles away from me, but whatever works.

 

[hokiehead]

hadn't noted before this thread that Boyle had the philosophy of "don't call a TO, let them play through it". Just noting that Roy Williams has the same philosophy -- maybe it's a KU thing?

Timeouts are there for a reason. Prolonging our scoreless runs or not attempting to break up a run by our opponent is puzzling and frustrating, IMO.

 

[CVilleBuff]

Like Goose said, we might not like how Tad does certain things and we can complain all we want, but at this point he's not likely changing. His formula as a whole is working A LOT better than what we had before. I'm not saying he's immune from criticism and things like not fouling in those situations is infuriating, but wishing otherwise just isn't happening.

It isn't changing, but I feel like we're winning despite these decisions, not because of them. Big difference. I fail to see how attempting to nip a 6 minute scoreless run in the bud after 3 minutes could do any harm.

 

[cubuffs85]

Regarding the endgame scenarios: I'm just going to say that Tad knows what he's doing. I also get frustrated and question a lot of the decisions or lack of execution. But it's a bottom line business. Buffs are 7-1 this year in games decided by 5 points or less. And that's with a frighteningly young team.

And the Okie Lite game was a lot closer on the scoreboard than it actually was, atleast compared to those 7 other games IMO.

 

[torero]

hadn't noted before this thread that Boyle had the philosophy of "don't call a TO, let them play through it". Just noting that Roy Williams has the same philosophy -- maybe it's a KU thing?

It's a John Wooden thing.

 

[Buffnik]

Timeouts are there for a reason. Prolonging our scoreless runs or not attempting to break up a run by our opponent is puzzling and frustrating, IMO.

John Wooden philosophy. It does develop mental toughness. Tad makes the game about the players instead of the coaches.

When the networks finally get fed up with games going over-long, we will see 2 changes:

1 - adjustment to the rules on fouling in the last 2 minutes of a game
2 - adjustment to the timeout rules (maybe 3 per game - 1 that wouldn't carry over to 2nd half if not used - and only players can call them)

Advantage Buffs when these occur. Hopefully that would help balance out the likelihood of moving the 3pt line back, which would pretty much force zone defense and be a bad thing for Tadball. Moving the shot clock to 30 would probably be a neutral change for CU, imo.

 

[cubuffs85]

Up four, the worse thing you can do is foul on a lay-up and give them a +1 free throw...especially the way they were getting offensive rebounds on free throw misses

Josh Scott threw the ball in because they were pressuring the ball. Do you want a 6'10 player inbound over a 6'7 defender or a 6'2 player inbound the ball around a 6'7 player

Boyle doesn't believe in fouling up 3....your just gonna have to get over that

That isn't happening, many on here aren't going to let Tad off on their philosophical differences here. When we lose a game because of this, I don't think we have this year, I'm sure you'll hear more about it.

 

[CVilleBuff]

hadn't noted before this thread that Boyle had the philosophy of "don't call a TO, let them play through it". Just noting that Roy Williams has the same philosophy -- maybe it's a KU thing?

Might be. I can't recall off the top of my head if Turgeon has the same philosophy. I'm sure I'll see on Sunday.