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JCOLE12010

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This might be way too Stu Gotz of a take, but here goes: Can we ditch the CSU and NU games and go with USC and Texas? Maybe Utah, Cal, and Stanford as secondary rivals? Assuming #therise is really long term, 5 plus years. Maybe even go with Alabama also if things go really well??
 
Remember when we played Alabama in a bowl game and the 2 programs went in COMPLETELY OPPOSITE directions??!!
 
UW could also be a fun rivalry, I know 6-7 rivals is a ton. I'm mostly over our 2 current rivals/ries, but I could be open to being more interested in the games if the W-L records for both get reset because we're not catching NU regardless of how good we get and CSU isn't catching us either.
 
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The nine game conference schedule remains a challenge going forward for continuing the annual game with CSU. Even if it's a 2-1 deal, it still makes things difficult.
I really have enjoyed not playing the fuskers the last six years. Let their transplants here in Colorado twist in the wind. No need to give those mouth breathers a reason to crawl out from under their rocks.
 
JCOLE12010 said:
This might be way too Stu Gotz of a take, but here goes: Can we ditch the CSU and NU games and go with USC and Texas? Maybe Utah, Cal, and Stanford as secondary rivals? Assuming #therise is really long term, 5 plus years. Maybe even go with Alabama also if things go really well??
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Where does Texas come in to play here? We don't play them, haven't scheduled them, and frankly want nothing to do with them. Same with Alabama. Unless we start playing them in the CFP every year that one doesn't even make sense.

As far as Utah, Cal, and Stanford; I don't hate or even dislike any of them. Although the unbalanced scheduled makes it difficult to manufacture a rivalry with any of the North schools. Utah rivalry could definitely grow, starting this year.

We are trying to ditch the CSU game, just have to wait for the contract to expire. As far as the NU game, that is something in the blood of any longtime CU fan. Just how it is. Too much history there.
 
USC is the standard setter in our conference and, conveniently, we're in the same division as them and so we play every year.

Over the long term, that is where our rivalry hatred will flow. Year-in, year-out they are the team on our schedule that is most likely to be ranked (unfortunately, due to the fact that a ****ty 7-5 ND team will usually be ranked, we're not the team on USC's schedule most likely to be ranked - but we are the second most likely). More years than not, we will have to beat them in order to play in the P12 championship game - and that will be true for them as well, more years than not, they'll have to beat us to get to a championship.

Utah is going to be a secondary rival, they're the last game we play each season, so championships and bowl game positioning will always be on the line in that game.

To have a real rivalry: you have to play often, and the outcome of the game has to frequently have a bigger impact than just "another win." How much are we going to hate UU if they keep us out of the P12 championship game this year? How much will they hate us when we keep them out? How much will that USC loss piss us off if they tie our conference record and win the south?

1. USC
2. UU

And conveniently, they both wear red.
 
I think this is the year Utah really become somewhat of a rival. It will be a very meaningful game, between 2 good teams that will ultimately decide the P12 South, IMO.
 
Austin and Boulder are great cities and great universities. It was a fairly even series before 2002. Texas only has 2 Nattys since about 1975. We don't have to play all of these teams every year in the regular season obviously. I think some rivalries could be good even if played once every 2-3 years. The Cal and/or Stanford and/or UW series for the same reasons, all 4 are really good schools and on about the same level historically in football.
 
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I still don't understand what kind of rotation we have with the Pac 12 North schools - it feels like a total mystery. The Big 12 was easy, you play 3 schools home and home for 2 years, then play the other 3 schools home and home.
 
skibum said:
USC is the standard setter in our conference and, conveniently, we're in the same division as them and so we play every year.

Over the long term, that is where our rivalry hatred will flow. Year-in, year-out they are the team on our schedule that is most likely to be ranked (unfortunately, due to the fact that a ****ty 7-5 ND team will usually be ranked, we're not the team on USC's schedule most likely to be ranked - but we are the second most likely). More years than not, we will have to beat them in order to play in the P12 championship game - and that will be true for them as well, more years than not, they'll have to beat us to get to a championship.

Utah is going to be a secondary rival, they're the last game we play each season, so championships and bowl game positioning will always be on the line in that game.

To have a real rivalry: you have to play often, and the outcome of the game has to frequently have a bigger impact than just "another win." How much are we going to hate UU if they keep us out of the P12 championship game this year? How much will they hate us when we keep them out? How much will that USC loss piss us off if they tie our conference record and win the south?

1. USC
2. UU

And conveniently, they both wear red.
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I agree except I think it's this...
1) Utah
2) USC
3) ASU - dickhead coach and fans

the Utah game this year is going to be epic ...the winner will get major rewards and the loser will be pissed
 
Highlander said:
I still don't understand what kind of rotation we have with the Pac 12 North schools - it feels like a total mystery. The Big 12 was easy, you play 3 schools home and home for 2 years, then play the other 3 schools home and home.
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It is because it is unbalanced due to the california schools requirement that they all play each other every year.
 
Highlander said:
I still don't understand what kind of rotation we have with the Pac 12 North schools - it feels like a total mystery. The Big 12 was easy, you play 3 schools home and home for 2 years, then play the other 3 schools home and home.
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It would be a lot easier to understand if the CA schools didn't play every year.

We play 4 from the North and it's home/home. But with 2 teams in each division having 2 fixed cross-rivals, it muddies things for everyone else. So we end up with schedules like this year that has a trip to Stanford but no game against Cal.
 
I've always been firmly of the belief that rivalries develop over time. You can't "create" a rivalry.

As time goes on, our rivalry with the nubs will fade and we will develop rivalries with our new Pac-12 comrades. Maybe it will be with Utah, maybe SC, or maybe someone else. As @skibum says, the fact that we'll be playing Utah last every year might have something to do with it, if there is something important on the line when we play.

The thing we all know though is that a "rivalry" has to be competitive to be a rivalry. If we clobber a team every year, or they clobber us, there's little chance of there being a rivalry between the two.

As for trying to create a rivalry with Texas, why? I don't see the benefit.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
It is because it is unbalanced due to the california schools requirement that they all play each other every year.
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Buffnik said:
It would be a lot easier to understand if the CA schools didn't play every year.

We play 4 from the North and it's home/home. But with 2 teams in each division having 2 fixed cross-rivals, it muddies things for everyone else. So we end up with schedules like this year that has a trip to Stanford but no game against Cal.
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Understandable - but they still have some kind of master plan, right? Doesn't the conference know which teams will be playing each other for the next 5-6 years barring realignment? From what I can tell, we don't even find out who north opponents will be more than a year or two out.

I like the fact they hold the dates to try to optimize TV revenue, but surely they can allow us to know who we will playing and whether it is home or away years out on the schedule. Yes, I like to look at these things.
 
Highlander said:
Understandable - but they still have some kind of master plan, right? Doesn't the conference know which teams will be playing each other for the next 5-6 years barring realignment? From what I can tell, we don't even find out who north opponents will be more than a year or two out.

I like the fact they hold the dates to try to optimize TV revenue, but surely they can allow us to know who we will playing and whether it is home or away years out on the schedule. Yes, I like to look at these things.
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The "barring realignment" thing holds me back a bit on Utah as a rival. I see a distinct possibility of a PAC-14 with them going to the North.
 
Highlander said:
Understandable - but they still have some kind of master plan, right? Doesn't the conference know which teams will be playing each other for the next 5-6 years barring realignment? From what I can tell, we don't even find out who north opponents will be more than a year or two out.

I like the fact they hold the dates to try to optimize TV revenue, but surely they can allow us to know who we will playing and whether it is home or away years out on the schedule. Yes, I like to look at these things.
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I think there might be some uncertainty about how much longer the cali teams will continue playing eachother every year and this is why there is a hold on the schedule right now.
 
Alfred91 said:
I've always been firmly of the belief that rivalries develop over time. You can't "create" a rivalry.
As for trying to create a rivalry with Texas, why? I don't see the benefit.
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This. All this. Rivalries are created by playing on the field. You can't force it. It starts with something happening, one team gets screwed in some way, they hate it. You develop a dislike of that school, of that program. Hell, for the existence of it, we haven't given two ****s about a CSU rivalry until recent history when they won some games and we slid to the depths of CFB. Now that we're back and the clear dominant school again, CSU will go by the wayside. It's always been a they hate us and we pretend to care rivalry anyways.
Nebraska can suck a bag of dicks...**** those guys. That's a rivalry. If a meteor crashed into Earth, only hitting Nebraska and wiping that godforsaken *** stain off of planet Earth I would stand up and cheer, and ask if I could get the meteor's autograph.
I have no use for Texas. **** Texas!
 
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I think there might be some uncertainty about how much longer the cali teams will continue playing eachother every year and this is why there is a hold on the schedule right now.
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Yeah. I heard something about that. Not sure they want it as much as they did and the other 8 certainly don't like it.
 
CSU was a contrived rivalry and nobody really cares. We might as well create a rivalry with the School of Mines since they are just down the road, it would have the same significance. As others have said, rivalries happen, they aren't created. USC will likely become one since they are consistently pretty good, and everybody universally seems to hate them, both good attributes of a solid rivalry. I see them as the new cornholers over the next 10-20 years.
 
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