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Pac-12 Season News (2017)

The only proper outcome is a dismissal. Anything else is a reach and opens the doors for people to rush the field in violation of school/conference rules and trespass laws. Don't step on the tracks when the train is coming through. I could see USC threatening to sue WSU as a veiled threat if they pursue charges.
 
I have a real hard time with the idea of putting a felony on a player's record for that. Misdemeanor with a little community service and probation? Sure. Send a message and have some good come out of it. But there's no reason to screw up that young man's future ability to get a job over this.
Yep
 
The only proper outcome is a dismissal. Anything else is a reach and opens the doors for people to rush the field in violation of school/conference rules and trespass laws. Don't step on the tracks when the train is coming through. I could see USC threatening to sue WSU as a veiled threat if they pursue charges.

What constitutes a violation of conference/school rules and trespass laws?
 
What constitutes a violation of conference/school rules and trespass laws?
A ticket is a license to attend a game in the stands, it doesn't grant access to the field and going on the field without permission is trespassing. The conference has specific rules prohibiting fans from entering the field until the players have cleared the field. WSU has a duty to provide enough security to ensure that the players can exit the field in a safe manner. In the linked article one of the comments mentioned the incident several years ago in which a WSU fan punched Austin Sefarian-Jenkins when they rushed the field. The video shows the player running with his team exiting the field and the fan running across those exiting without regard to the players safety or his own safety. In an act of self defense the player assumed a position that would best preclude himself from getting injured by the fan's negligence in running onto the field. The fan was going to get run over, the player simply took action to ensure that he was not injured. The proximate cause of the the fan's injuries was his own negligence of entering the field.
 
A ticket is a license to attend a game in the stands, it doesn't grant access to the field and going on the field without permission is trespassing. The conference has specific rules prohibiting fans from entering the field until the players have cleared the field. WSU has a duty to provide enough security to ensure that the players can exit the field in a safe manner. In the linked article one of the comments mentioned the incident several years ago in which a WSU fan punched Austin Sefarian-Jenkins when they rushed the field. The video shows the player running with his team exiting the field and the fan running across those exiting without regard to the players safety or his own safety. In an act of self defense the player assumed a position that would best preclude himself from getting injured by the fan's negligence in running onto the field. The fan was going to get run over, the player simply took action to ensure that he was not injured. The proximate cause of the the fan's injuries was his own negligence of entering the field.

What does the conference rule actually state?

Your self defense claim falls a little flat as well.
 
What does the conference rule actually state?

Your self defense claim falls a little flat as well.
Fans are prohibited from entering the field for the I think 1 minute after the end of the game. 1st violation results in a warning to the school, subsequent violations have increasing fines. Some schools do a good job of shielding the opposing team from the onslaught of fans either by security or by location of the locker room in relation to the student section, some obviously do not.
 
Fans are prohibited from entering the field for the I think 1 minute after the end of the game. 1st violation results in a warning to the school, subsequent violations have increasing fines. Some schools do a good job of shielding the opposing team from the onslaught of fans either by security or by location of the locker room in relation to the student section, some obviously do not.

Correct. So it is quite possible the fan was NOT in violation of conference/school rules on field rushing.
 
Correct. So it is quite possible the fan was NOT in violation of conference/school rules on field rushing.
It appeared that he rushed immediately after the game ended as evident by the USC players hurrying to get to their locker room (which was across the field from their sideline) so he probably was in violation.
 
It appeared that he rushed immediately after the game ended as evident by the USC players hurrying to get to their locker room (which was across the field from their sideline) so he probably was in violation.

I think there is at least some doubt, which complicates the defense.
 
A ticket is a license to attend a game in the stands, it doesn't grant access to the field and going on the field without permission is trespassing. The conference has specific rules prohibiting fans from entering the field until the players have cleared the field. WSU has a duty to provide enough security to ensure that the players can exit the field in a safe manner. In the linked article one of the comments mentioned the incident several years ago in which a WSU fan punched Austin Sefarian-Jenkins when they rushed the field. The video shows the player running with his team exiting the field and the fan running across those exiting without regard to the players safety or his own safety. In an act of self defense the player assumed a position that would best preclude himself from getting injured by the fan's negligence in running onto the field. The fan was going to get run over, the player simply took action to ensure that he was not injured. The proximate cause of the the fan's injuries was his own negligence of entering the field.

I will gladly leave the legalities up to the lawyers, they are the ones who are supposed to be consulted in writing the rules and the ones who make the actual arguments if it gets to court or a hearing.

The line of thinking in this post though would resonate with me if I were on a jury. Thousands of emotional fans pouring out of the stands on me as I am trying to get to the locker room, a highly emotional moment as I have just engaged in a highly emotional and violent game, should I be expected to calmly and rationally try to avoid contact with these fans at this moment.

Washington State failed in it's duty to provide me an opportunity to exit the field without contacting the fans putting me into potential danger or at least stress.

At the very least the charges should be minor in nature, not a felony.
 
I think there is at least some doubt, which complicates the defense.
I don't think there is any doubt. This video clearly shows that USC was exiting the field with 29 seconds left on the game clock and fans were already storming the field. I don't see how you could possibly prosecute the case and not acknowledge that had the "victim" not been in violation of the rules and laws that he wouldn't have been injured.
www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20866996
 
Okay, that does not give the players freedom to assault fans either. The self defense argument is extremely flimsy to me.

The end result of the case will not be a felony conviction, nor an outright dismissal, so I really do not see the big deal either way.
 
I don't think there is any doubt. This video clearly shows that USC was exiting the field with 29 seconds left on the game clock and fans were already storming the field. I don't see how you could possibly prosecute the case and not acknowledge that had the "victim" not been in violation of the rules and laws that he wouldn't have been injured.
www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20866996

So because someone is "trespassing" on my neighbors lawn, I can go beat the **** out of him and claim self defense?
 
So because someone is "trespassing" on my neighbors lawn, I can go beat the **** out of him and claim self defense?

No, but if they came on your lawn and could be seen as a threat it is different than had you deliberately gone seeking them out on their lawn or even in the street.

Duff is on track here, it shouldn't be dismissed or ignored but it also doesn't call for major charges. Circumstances matter.
 
So because someone is "trespassing" on my neighbors lawn, I can go beat the **** out of him and claim self defense?
Not the same situation, but if you were running across your yard and he cuts across you and you lay him out, then yes. If he is walking and you are on your porch and don't tell him "get off my lawn" while shaking your fist in an angry old guy manner, and instead just proceed to go beat him up, you are probably going to get punished for that.
 
No, but if they came on your lawn and could be seen as a threat it is different than had you deliberately gone seeking them out on their lawn or even in the street.

Duff is on track here, it shouldn't be dismissed or ignored but it also doesn't call for major charges. Circumstances matter.
The point is, just because someone might be "trespassing", doesn't give someone else the right to assault him. I am in agreement with your last statement, but to completely blow this off and act like the student had it coming because he was rushing the field is ****ing stupid.
 
Okay, that does not give the players freedom to assault fans either. The self defense argument is extremely flimsy to me.

The end result of the case will not be a felony conviction, nor an outright dismissal, so I really do not see the big deal either way.
I think the likely end result will be the prosecutor either determines that he couldn't win the case and decides not to file or goes for a lessor charge. USC should provide the player with representation and could file suit against WSU and the "victim." Timing matters a bunch and it would be hard for a jury to find sympathy for a stupid college kid who was clearly where he shouldn't have been. Police are always going to recommend the highest possible crime, but that doesn't mean it should be prosecuted. Also are they going to try to extradite him?
 
The point is, just because someone might be "trespassing", doesn't give someone else the right to assault him. I am in agreement with your last statement, but to completely blow this off and act like the student had it coming because he was rushing the field is ****ing stupid.
You are assuming that the player committed assault. The players likely defense is that he was exiting the field with his teammates when the other person crossed in front of him and contact was unavoidable. He has an expectation of a clear path to exit the field.
 
I think the likely end result will be the prosecutor either determines that he couldn't win the case and decides not to file or goes for a lessor charge. USC should provide the player with representation and could file suit against WSU and the "victim." Timing matters a bunch and it would be hard for a jury to find sympathy for a stupid college kid who was clearly where he shouldn't have been. Police are always going to recommend the highest possible crime, but that doesn't mean it should be prosecuted. Also are they going to try to extradite him?

He will plead it out and move on. This is not a hill to die on.
 
You are assuming that the player committed assault. The players likely defense is that he was exiting the field with his teammates when the other person crossed in front of him and contact was unavoidable. He has an expectation of a clear path to exit the field.
Lol he blatantly committed assault and the video shows that conclusively. That is why this is still a thing.
 
The point is, just because someone might be "trespassing", doesn't give someone else the right to assault him. I am in agreement with your last statement, but to completely blow this off and act like the student had it coming because he was rushing the field is ****ing stupid.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that it just be blown off, simply that considering all the factors that the charges be significantly lower than something that would make the player a convicted felon.

Most reasonable would be a misdemeanor charge with the option of a deferred judgement. Player keeps his nose clean, does some counseling, and the conviction goes away after a reasonable time.
 
I’m confused. Didn’t most of AB defend field/court rushing as harmless fun for students while being pissed at UA’s Miller & PAC-12 fines?
Yes.

Don't confuse a vocal minority as being a board opinion. You know this, just giving you the additional vote of confidence.
 
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