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Official ****braska Hate Thread
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I'd say next year and 2020 looks very promising for the Pac-12. Buffs are going to have to play with urgency this season like in 2016 and it appears that it is going to happen this season after taking last season off in that department. I don't want to think about what will happen if CU has another losing season because we might have the same Hawkins situation where the AD is told to hold on to HCMM for another year due to $$$ concerns although the Buffs had a $94 million athletic budget. CU would have beaten Michigan on the road if Sefo Liufau didn't roll his ankle and the Buffs beat Oregon on the road with Montez in his first ever start as a redshirt freshman. If Montez can play in Eugene, playing in Lincoln won't be an issue for him.
Chip Kelly isn't going to turn UCLA around that quickly. When he came to Oregon, the system was already set up where at UCLA, he's going to have to set the system up and that isn't much different from Frost at Nebraska. USC might be going with a QB who was a high school junior last year and graduated early and is highly touted but he's still pretty young. Arizona's Tate was on the cover of Sports Illustrated and the hype is the highest I have seen Arizona get and the last time an Arizona team was this hyped, Arizona State fell flat in 2011. Speaking of ASU, who knows how the NFL-esque management experiment will go in Tempe? The only consistent team in the Pac-12 South has been Utah but they haven't been able to get over the hump to get into the Pac-12 CCG. They just got a new AD and they have this year and next year as their window to win the South. As you can see, the South is wide open and CU could take advantage since they don't play Stanford or Oregon.
UCLA is not a traditional powerhouse. The only traditional powerhouses are USC and Washington. The obstacles to the conference championship are not as great as it was in the Big 8 & Big 12 since the Buffs had to go through Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Texas in order to win. UCLA is more akin to Texas A&M...have the best location for recruits & facilities but really underachieves.
Mb2658
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It’s ok. I know that it takes the bulk of your mental capacity to read a post, let alone respond to one.
I understand that this is a fan board and we want to talk s***....so I am not going to argue with the good (maybe? 
) natured banter. Still, at the risk of becoming a pariah, here are my thoughts. I think everyone that is making the claim that the bugeaters are devoid of talent need to tap the breaks. They have plenty of talent to have a winning season, and certainly enough talent to beat us. Their big question marks, in my opinion, are the O-line, the secondary, and how quickly the players and the new coaching staff gel.
With the O-line, no one is going to know what is happening there until the season starts.....but given how absolutely terrible our front 7 was last year, the question is, who has gotten better quicker. Secondary: I think they are going to struggle here throughout the year....but specifically matched against us, I don't feel so confident that we have a clear edge. We obviously have more talent in our WR's, but the most effective way to defend our offensive scheme is by playing zone and man under. It just so happens that those schemes are also the best way to cover deficiencies of talent in a secondary. Which leads me to my last question..how quickly will the coaches gel with the players. If quickly, we are going to have a very difficult time winning there. Scott Frost will empty his bag of tricks to beat us if he needs to, and managing momentum in this game will be paramount of we want to win. If they haven't quite gelled yet, we should roll.....assuming we are actually as improved as we (I) think we are.
Lots of unknowns
) natured banter. Still, at the risk of becoming a pariah, here are my thoughts. I think everyone that is making the claim that the bugeaters are devoid of talent need to tap the breaks. They have plenty of talent to have a winning season, and certainly enough talent to beat us. Their big question marks, in my opinion, are the O-line, the secondary, and how quickly the players and the new coaching staff gel. With the O-line, no one is going to know what is happening there until the season starts.....but given how absolutely terrible our front 7 was last year, the question is, who has gotten better quicker. Secondary: I think they are going to struggle here throughout the year....but specifically matched against us, I don't feel so confident that we have a clear edge. We obviously have more talent in our WR's, but the most effective way to defend our offensive scheme is by playing zone and man under. It just so happens that those schemes are also the best way to cover deficiencies of talent in a secondary. Which leads me to my last question..how quickly will the coaches gel with the players. If quickly, we are going to have a very difficult time winning there. Scott Frost will empty his bag of tricks to beat us if he needs to, and managing momentum in this game will be paramount of we want to win. If they haven't quite gelled yet, we should roll.....assuming we are actually as improved as we (I) think we are.
Lots of unknowns
ahoelsken
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Traditional Pac 12 powerhouses.....who are you talking about? Do you even watch this conference?
CU fans are uniquely qualified to offer thoughts about how quickly a coaching change can turn around a program, so I think you'd be wise to listen when people tell you it's not going to happen overnight. It doesn't matter how much talent is on the roster. Case in point: Alabama.
Mike Shula was the coach from 2003-2006. Here are their 247 recruiting rankings over that time frame:
- 2003- 41
- 2004- 21
- 2005- 16
- 2006- 13
The Huskers 247 recruiting rankings for the last 4 years:
- 2015- 30
- 2016- 26
- 2017- 23
- 2018- 23
Arguing that NU is going to see a "huge jump" from players that were on the roster last year is pretty ridiculous. If i were you, I would prepare myself for a team that looks a lot more like 2017 NU than 1997 NU.
Denver_sc slapped!
Not saying that CU will match up well with Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, or Michigan State because the Buffs play in a very different conference where speed matters more...just like the old Big 12 South. But the Buffs would match up fine against Iowa, Illinois, Purdue, Northwestern, and Minnesota. Indiana, Rutgers, and Maryland would be good matchups for CU as well.
CU still would get at least one to three more wins than Nebraska would with that schedule because Mike MacIntyre will have all of his recruits in place in his sixth season at CU while Frost is only getting started.
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/nebraska-cornhuskers.php
You still get Northern Illinois next year, 2021, and 2023. Ready for more losses to them? Their campus is located next to cornfields like Nebraska and their players come from the region as well.
Always sucks to see injuries derail a career - he was a backup guard and one of the highest rated offensive lineman on the team. 5 of their top 6 recruits from the 2015 class are either a) no longer on the team or b) can’t crack the two deep/expected to transfer.
Listen to Bill Cody. He's a wise one.I understand that this is a fan board and we want to talk s***....so I am not going to argue with the good (maybe?
With the O-line, no one is going to know what is happening there until the season starts.....but given how absolutely terrible our front 7 was last year, the question is, who has gotten better quicker. Secondary: I think they are going to struggle here throughout the year....but specifically matched against us, I don't feel so confident that we have a clear edge. We obviously have more talent in our WR's, but the most effective way to defend our offensive scheme is by playing zone and man under. It just so happens that those schemes are also the best way to cover deficiencies of talent in a secondary. Which leads me to my last question..how quickly will the coaches gel with the players. If quickly, we are going to have a very difficult time winning there. Scott Frost will empty his bag of tricks to beat us if he needs to, and managing momentum in this game will be paramount of we want to win. If they haven't quite gelled yet, we should roll.....assuming we are actually as improved as we (I) think we are.
Lots of unknowns
GREAT POST!
I don't know a Husker fan who believes a "huge jump" is expected in 2018. I know most are expecting real improvement though. Nebraska's play this season will be nothing like the 1997 Huskers, that's for sure. But they won't be as bad as the 2017 squad. From what I hear this year's team has bought in and will be ready to play. Time will tell how many W's will be on their side of the column.
I do expect the Buffs to come to Lincoln expecting to win. As they should.
I feel sick now.
As you should.
That's progress on this thread.
Nubs might even return the favor next year in Boulder depending on who is coming back for the Buffs.
For those keeping track, their ‘17 class no longer has their:
#2, #4, #6, #8, #13, #16, and #19 ranked recruits. Once ranked 23rd in the nation, the 247 calculator drops them into the 50s and doesn’t really account for the fact that they only have 12 remaining recruits.
The article also mentions that kNu will be playing with at most 83 scholarship players this season.
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What would Nebraska's 2014-18 classes rank with the 247 calculator?
ahoelsken
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Surveyor probably had this much optimism for his beloved Kansas City Royals last March. If you want to draw a parallel for this Nebraska team, I'd use McIntyre's first CU team. They lost a lot of games, but the entire conference noticed the improvement this team made in this staff's first year. NU wasn't competitive in a number of their losses last year, and we've talked about them here. Couple that with a new defense (a more aggressive one even with all the points all those returning starters gave up last year) and a transition offensively, and I'd think we'll see a couple rough years to start the Frost era off. That conference schedule is a NIGHTMARE as well. 4-8 this year, but I'd expect a much more competitive team.
Impossible! Waylon told me they were stacked with talent and Mike Riley's utilization was defiantly the only issue.
ahoelsken
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Did Waylon watch Nebraska play last year?
You gotta expect some attrition anytime you change coaches......is this more than that?
2014 is hard to say since several of those guys contributed but are gone now. 2015 hasn’t technically been hit as hard by attrition but they have a ton of non-contributors and some whispers that guys may transfer out. CO products Eric Lee and Avery Anderson have been suspiciously absent in fall camp reports and have seemingly been passed up by freshmen already. If those two move on, in addition to everyone else they lost, 247 calculator drops their ranking to the low 50s as well.
2016 hasn’t been as ravaged but they drop from #26 down to #44 with what they’ve lost. And their #1 recruit has been a total bust and might have been passed up. If we were to take him away for fun, then that class drops into the 50s as well.
2018 seems to be solid so far for them, which makes sense as most of those guys were picked by the new staff. Seems like the new players are passing up guys quickly, but they have something like 50 new players on the team and it’s going to take time to get that all figured out. I just don’t see how anyone could pick them as a sleeper unless they aren’t diving into the actual recruiting numbers.
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I remember Rich Rod having a bunch of young players for Arizona last year and it didn't hurt him. However, before BS gets excited, NU is starting over with all those new players. CU fans are well aware of how that played out in 2011-14. Could be a bumpy couple of seasons for the Huskers especially if the Big Ten relies more on bigger bodies than the Pac-12 does.
That explains why Frost might have had cold feet before agreeing to become the head coach of the Huskers.
That explains why Frost might have had cold feet before agreeing to become the head coach of the Huskers.
I wouldn't even call Washington a traditional powerhouse, I would say they are very similar to us, a program that has had some great uptimes and mixed that with some ugly depths and a lot of above average but not national power. The last few years they have been on an up and they currently have a very good coach but they aren't far from falling to mediocracy and they like CU don't have that rabid total support to prevent that.
ahoelsken
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Anything you like on here is automatically fake news.
ahoelsken
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Disagree with you here 100%. UW is the top dog (No pun intended) in this league, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Chris Petersen is the best active coach in this sport who doesn't have a national championship to his credit IMO, and he's also not a job hopper. In terms of some of the other situations in this league, I think David Shaw will take a crack at the NFL at some point. Clay Helton is one 7 or 8 season away from being axed. Mario Cristobal either flops epically at Oregon or wins enough to move back to the ACC or SEC in 2-3 years.
Idk about 100% there man, USC is a blue blood in football. They wanna be good, they will be.