Replace **** Baylor with Kansas, ASU with Arizona, and Cal with Stanford.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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Fine. I really don’t care either way, other than to point out that I think hoops still counts and if you’re building a new conference, having a team that sucks at football but is good at basketball is worthwhile. It allows the football teams to feast on a cupcake while increasing the exposure for the conference in March Madness.
It goes like this:
1. National football brand
2. Elite home market
3. Sorry. Try to make the most of 2nd tier status.
If you have 1 & 2, conferences will kill to get you (ND - national + Chicago or USC or UT).
So, when looking at the Big 12 and none being significant national brands, I go to #2 and say that TCU and UH are the only real contenders.
From the Pac-12, it's doubtful that UA, OSU or WSU have a shot.
From the ACC, not sure that any of the post-1990 members other than FSU and Miami have a shot along with UNC, UVA, Clemson and GT.
1. National football brand
2. Elite home market
3. Sorry. Try to make the most of 2nd tier status.
If you have 1 & 2, conferences will kill to get you (ND - national + Chicago or USC or UT).
So, when looking at the Big 12 and none being significant national brands, I go to #2 and say that TCU and UH are the only real contenders.
From the Pac-12, it's doubtful that UA, OSU or WSU have a shot.
From the ACC, not sure that any of the post-1990 members other than FSU and Miami have a shot along with UNC, UVA, Clemson and GT.
Victory
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B1G is 14 + 2 (USC and UCLA), and SEC is 14 + 2 (UT and OU), so the goal would be to get to 16. The math (on face) would be 5 each from P12, B12, and ACC plus Notre Dame. However, I just looked at the B12 schools again and JFC I don't think I could justify putting 5 schools from that conference into a new P3.
Pretty good looking conference, actually. That UW/Miami trip is brutal though.
- ACC: FSU, GT, UNC, Clemson, Miami, VT
- B12: Okie State, Baylor (
),TCU
- P12: UofO, UW, ASU, Cal, UU, CU
- ND
Also thought I'd drop this here:
The top 8 from the P12 and ACC are clear imho. I don’t see the B12 schools ever detaching from one another. Outside of Baylor and TCU I don’t see any value adds.
I don't get the Baylor love. It took political action for them to get the original B12 invite. I don't think there's a major metro in Texas where they are 1 of the 3 most popular programs.
Good to see you've come around.
It makes so much sense for the top 8 from the ACC and the Pac to merge and create a 3rd super conference that it will never happen
Huh? I never questioned that. Only explanation for the B1G taking Nebraska or for schools like Clemson to be relevant to the conversation. It's why I've been high on Boise State for P12 expansion other than academic hurdles despite the small market - there's a reason they drove the MWC media deal and got an unequal revenue share.
Above average athletics, new stadium and building new practice facility.
They are doing what's needed.
Victory
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I try to not compliment Baylor in anyway. When I added them I did it thinking their ratings were strong. I looked up their ratings in 2022. Not that great. Offer rescinded but TCU stays.
BerkeleyBuff
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Yormark said something interesting in an interview today: "I’d like to stay at 14 [teams] even w/ the departures of Texas & Oklahoma. Candidly.”
I'd say there's a pretty decent chance that happens
Yeah. The P12 has always valued CSU. If everything about that school stayed the same but they were located in Nevada instead of being a redundancy, they'd have been added years ago.
Victory
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It’s going to be hilarious when Yormark adds Memphis and UConn, has them play in Mexico then leaves to take over the G League in 18 months. That’s probably going to be his legacy more than anything else on the table.
Maybe it’s cuz I don’t watch a hundred of those movies a day.
B1G is 14 + 2 (USC and UCLA), and SEC is 14 + 2 (UT and OU), so the goal would be to get to 16. The math (on face) would be 5 each from P12, B12, and ACC plus Notre Dame. However, I just looked at the B12 schools again and JFC I don't think I could justify putting 5 schools from that conference into a new P3.
Pretty good looking conference, actually. That UW/Miami trip is brutal though.
- ACC: FSU, GT, UNC, Clemson, Miami, VT
- B12: Okie State, Baylor (
- P12: UofO, UW, ASU, Cal, UU, CU
- ND
Also thought I'd drop this here:
Interesting you’d put Cal in there but not Arizona.
I also don’t understand why the ven circle of Modern BCS or CFP appearance is referring to.
Arizona is a duplicate of a market and doesn't add significant football value, whereas Cal is the one realistic school left that gets that conference into California.
Also, I'm pretty confident that "modern" BCS or CFP appearance means an appearance in one of the big 4 bowls since the BCS was implemented. CU went in 2001.
Tucson metro vs SF metro.
Excellent academic institution vs one of the most elite academic institutions in the world.
AZ vs CA resources, applicants & recruiting grounds.
Zero championships in 2022-23 vs one of few ADs with multiple national championships this year.
I fully expect the B1G to eventually include Cal along with Stanford, UO and UW.
I don't think we're going to see them as part of some 3rd conference or getting left behind.
I just hope that there's still room at the table for CU if the B1G ends up at 24. With those 4 and I'd also guess ND, UVA and UNC that leaves only 1 spot.
Victory
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Agree on the Cal and Stanford part. If it breaks that way then the last spot likely goes to Miami.
OTOH, it leaves the SEC with Clemson, FSU to get to 18 but no other clear cut options if they want to get to 24. CU would be at or near the top of that next best list.
Do you honestly believe IF the BIG went to 24 CU would be in ?
If so who's left out ?
Based on the 23 I listed, the last spot candidates west of the Mississippi would be CU, KU, ASU, UA and Utah. East of the Mississippi would be Miami, GA Tech, Clemson, Duke, Pitt and maybe Syracuse. (Keeping it to AAUs or close enough to justify.)
Considering that the SEC isn't going to allow itself to get lapped, the B1G doesn't simply have its pick of schools and southeastern options will be heavily contested. SEC will consider some lesser academic options beyond the above list, but they're not going to simply allow their position in FL-GA-SC to be eroded and they have always wanted to expand into NC-VA. Also, I wouldn't expect the SEC to stop at 20 if the B1G went to 24. Some of this is definitely a sick measuring contest.
So I don't feel too stressed that if CU takes care of business on the field and with facilities the rest of this decade that we'll have a seat at 1 of those tables.
That depends solely on what the Tv people want. Cause $$$$
Victory
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So in your mind a deal is presented, signed and made public at the same time?
Of course not, but IF a good deal was presented there would be leaks from pro PAC sources.
Victory
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I see. So no leaks = no deal. Without looking, how many news stories do you think there were about the Big Ten media deal details in the days leading up to announcement on August, 18, 2022?