ahoelsken
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True. That's still more the way its worked out-Like I said in the corrected version of the post.......has somebody made a conference move that has resulted in a cut in TV money?
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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Dr Ship
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Funny. But Marvin Pomerantz was the president of the board in the late 80s, early 90s. He wanted to make an efficient university system in the state, shut down degree programs, and forced the sale of the university owned ABC affiliate TV station for some vague reason. Donated millions to Iowa, and nothing to Iowa State (which is his prerogative, but not the greatest look for the BoR pres). The governor at the time was also a UI grad who enabled this to happen. Just an interesting bit of history I know no one here particularly cares about.
Another fun fact, back in the 40's ISU almost got into the Big 10 over Michigan State. You guys joining the Big 6 was part f the reason we stayed. Funny how these conference affiliation decisions made 70-100 years ago are so relevant now.
ahoelsken
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A perfect storm of poo is exactly what has happened. In their most recent episode, Canzano and Wilner talked about the idea that Cal was driving the bus on the idea that UCLA's Big 10 move would get kiboshed having an impact on the Pac 12's failure to get a TV deal......listen to episode #55. Even Wilner sounded goofy talking about that scenario-like where has this EVER happened, Jon? I said it on here when that happened-and I got doubted by some of you who seemed to momentarily forget that money drives the bus here: The best case scenario for Cal was what they got-a cut of UCLA's Big 10 money.
I think both outcomes suck. **** the Pac 12. I can't stand this conference. Leadership went out the window after they brought CU and Utah in. Larry Scott is proof that having a degree from an Ivy League university The Pac 12 can't get their network on Youtube TV-even though the old headquarters was like 15 miles from google. Directv still doesn't carry the network. There's that San Francisco real estate-you are the only major conference with a team in Denver, Phoenix, Salt Lake, Seattle, and the state of Oregon (Portland)........and you literally put your conference headquarters in one of the most expensive real estate markets in America. The two fired network executives claim LS knew about the Comcast overpayments. How long did it take the conference presidents to get rid of him?
The Big 12 is meh to me. I'd do it if the Pac 12 can't get their act together on a TV deal, and I'd consider leaving if this isn't done by media day. The league has had OVER A YEAR. They still don't have a TV deal. I see that league (especially without Texas and Oklahoma) as one our program can dominate. We'd be the only school with a legit national title in the conference if we joined it........with all due respect to the 1984 Holiday Bowl champions and UCF.
The one thing CU needs to do is keep Prime happy. He got this job in my view because he's our best shot at a superconference invite, and I think he's building a championship culture here. This staff is the best we've had since McCartney, and its not close.
Yeah. Back when the Big 12 first formed, CU and UT were ready to join the Pac together but CU didn't want to bail on its Big 8 peers it had worked together with on the expansion plan (the move would have killed it).
Other things in realignment through the years that had huge repercussions like the SEC poaching South Carolina from the ACC instead of choosing Clemson, Penn State not getting the membership it wanted from Eastern Independents and instead of a Big East football conference led by PSU and Miami they went to the Big Ten (which actually had been after Pitt instead for years since Pitt was the traditional powerhouse in the northeast region). Heck, Northwestern was close to leaving the Big Ten for the Ivy at one point.
BerkeleyBuff
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Weird for someone to even notice. I'd expect a similar PAC lineup to have Colorado alphabetized as C, Utah as U, etc.
BerkeleyBuff
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South Carolina was an independent. They left the ACC voluntarily more than a decade before the SEC came calling.
I think people are just so used to UCF than "University of Central Florida". If that applied to the Pac-12, UCLA would have to be listed between Cal & CU in the P12 order instead of being usually by USC.
Hrm - it's kind of a funny thing to talk about when the B1G is obviously hitting that next year.
Wonder if anyone followed up and asked why he thinks that is a big deal
Maybe the B12 SID got into the way.
It's possibly an issue.
I think regionality has a lot going for it and, as the SEC has proven, it makes a difference in how much the fans care.
I don't believe for a second that a B1G team is ever going to feel heat with Maryland outside of maybe PSU and Rutgers getting there to the level they have for playing Indiana. Similarly with regional Big 12 members and playing the new members from outside their region and history (and I'm not talking just about the myopic TX team fans who would prefer to never play a game outside the state).
And one more thing, TCU should be between UT & TT instead of UT being between TCU & TT.
That is one reason I'd favor the B12 move over remaining in the P12 if we brought the other 4C schools along. We'd be between the 4C schools including BYU plus KU, KSU, OSU, and maybe TT. In the old Big 8 we had KU, KSU, Nebraska, OSU, and OU as border rivals.
It would be nice to be geographically located amidst conference or divisional opponents we played every year. CU has always been the Western or Eastern edge of its conference map.
It has been 76 years since CU wasn't on either edge in the old Mountain States Conference which had Denver, CSU, Wyoming, Utah, Utah State, and BYU before the Buffs left for the Big 8.
I'd like to see something like that again.
That tells me that Apple TV+ has a lot of room for growth. I don't subscribe to Apple TV+ because there isn't anything for me to watch besides the MLS. That is why they are trying to get into more sports and they certainly have the cash to acquire Disney.
I think you’re looking at this the wrong way. If Apple TV is looking for programming, they might be willing to overpay for it.
The money is one aspect of it, but exposure is another and it's not a non-issue when it comes to streaming. Simply saying, "Apple is a massive company that knows how to market, therefore we'll have plenty of exposure, etc, etc" is nothing more than wishful thinking. CFB, and more specifically, Pac 12 CFB is not a material product like an iPhone. It doesn't appeal to everyone, and it's not Apple's proprietary product they can fix themselves and capture a massive market. All the marketing $$$$ in the world isn't getting east coasters to tune in for an Oregon vs Arizona football game if they have to subscribe to Apple TV to do it.
Again, what does logic tell you is going to happen to the ratings of the Michigan State vs Washington game that was put on Peacock in early September? Will those ratings be better or worse than if the game was broadcast on NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX or ESPN?
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Buff_nc
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The iPhone 15 Max, iPhone 15 Pro....and the iPhone 15 Micky
I guess B1G doesn't count until the LA schools join
One thing that a lot of network, and streaming service, executives are aware of is the story of CBS and the NFL.
CBS was absolute king of the hill on ratings for their weeknight shows. It was something like 9 of the top 10 shows were on CBS. Then, in a cost cutting measure, they decided to bow out of bidding on NFL rights on a contract cycle.
That fall, their ratings tanked. Not just for Sunday, but every single weeknight show as well just fell through the floor. Same shows, same actors/writers, but the audience just disappeared.
It turns out that using the NFL broadcasts to pump up their weeknight shows was a critical piece of the puzzle. They bid hard to get back in the game when the SNF rights came up. In fact, if they could sell each games advertising for $10MM, they were bidding like $12MM. Why? Because they could get >$2MM in advertising on their other shows with the ratings boost from pumping them up during the football broadcast.
Now, college football isn't NFL football. But... football is probably the sport most well adapted for TV and commercials.
Do you think Netflix, or Amazon, or AppleTV, etc would find it valuable to have a platform on which to advertise and push viewers to their own shows? If the metric is subscribers to other shows and services, the football broadcasts can actually operate at a net loss.
OU and UT were basically begging to join the Pac 12 when we did BUT UT didn't want to give up the Longhorns network.
Things would be so different today if that could have worked out.
It would have been awesome to be in a division with UA, ASU, Utah, OU, OSU, TT, and Tejas. Trips to CA would be few and far between.
Arkansas and Texas A&M gladly are putting out the SEC welcome mat for Tejas.