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Anthony Perkins not listed there
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Duff Man said:
The one game I attended in College Station was enough. **** was weird. The swaying is not great when you are pretty buzzed in the full sun.
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So College Station is a favorite for Out & Ins around here. Pretty quick flight. Has all the approaches you need. The FBO is really nice, comtract services, no hassle, and they have a program for any pilot that lands there (including GenAv) - you can buy a lunch ticket for a dollar that is basically good for all you can eat BBQ or tacos at a local restaurant. And they give you a crew car.
k, that’s all I got.
 
ahoelsken said:
LOL they haven't been great offensively (especially when you compare them with OU and UT-who they compare themselves to) since they had that Albert Connell (or whatever his name was) who had like 200 yards receiving against us in 1996.

I was at that game, but probably have the number wrong. Feel free to correct me.
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Buffnik said:
I think the only way money gets channeled is if it's earmarked and separate from the compensation the individual has earned in the marketplace.

Nike is not going to pay to an NIL Collective in excess of what it was already willing to pay for the deal.

It's one thing if CU can divert money to NIL instead of it being AD revenue. That's what I was talking about.

But some of you have this fantasy that coaches and players are going to happily volunteer to have their money given to someone else. While that happens (I.e., Tom Brady playing most of his career for below market value to provide cap space and a better chance at a championship), it is rare.

It's up to the football program to both pay its coach his market value AND to provide the resources to get the players.

What some of you are saying is no different than if you thought that if they want to upgrade the training table to serve filet mignon instead of Salisbury steak that Coach Prime should pay for that out of his own pocket.
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If things are going well, sure, I dont expect any coaches to pay their players with their own money. But, I am thinking along the lines of a team needing a key player and that is going to cost say $100k. If that $100k investment could get you to a playoff with a $1mil bonus, seems to be a good investment. Plus, its a whole lot easier to funnel the money.

All that said, this seems difficult for football with the NIL values of the players and the number of good players you need to have a good team. But in the world of Basketball where a single player can make all the difference, it wouldnt shock me to hear of this going on.
 
GoBuffs!! said:
If things are going well, sure, I dont expect any coaches to pay their players with their own money. But, I am thinking along the lines of a team needing a key player and that is going to cost say $100k. If that $100k investment could get you to a playoff with a $1mil bonus, seems to be a good investment. Plus, its a whole lot easier to funnel the money.

All that said, this seems difficult for football with the NIL values of the players and the number of good players you need to have a good team. But in the world of Basketball where a single player can make all the difference, it wouldnt shock me to hear of this going on.
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Didn't a top recruit lose eligibility with Penny Hardaway from him having a financial relationship with him?
 
Buffnik said:
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But some of you have this fantasy that coaches and players are going to happily volunteer to have their money given to someone else. While that happens (I.e., Tom Brady playing most of his career for below market value to provide cap space and a better chance at a championship), it is rare.

It's up to the football program to both pay its coach his market value AND to provide the resources to get the players.

What some of you are saying is no different than if you thought that if they want to upgrade the training table to serve filet mignon instead of Salisbury steak that Coach Prime should pay for that out of his own pocket.
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I'm considering this in context of the larger NIL discussion.

Your point is well made that it seems unlikely for coaches or star players to voluntarily share their income with players who don't command the same NIL market value. no argument. to your point above, I don't donate any part of my compensation to my co-workers, not even the ones who help me the most.

And, the current NIL model is asking the average fan to donate money in essentially the same manner that we're dismissing millionaire coaches and sponsored athletes from doing.

So, we're saying it's not reasonable to expect well compensated coaches and players to give to NIL, however, the team's success at least partially depends on the average fan donating. the fan who already paid somewhere between $50 and $400 per ticket, plus parking plus concessions possibly plus Buff Club donation ("and don't forget to buy a new gold colored jersey for the designated "Gold Rush" game!") .The expense of a college football game is already fairly close to that of an NFL game -- it seems to me the "fan supported NIL model" can't work.

How did we move so quickly from NIL being a thing funded by corporations for marketing purposes to being fan driven?

This doesn't seem sustainable.
 
Buffnik said:
Didn't a top recruit lose eligibility with Penny Hardaway from him having a financial relationship with him?
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Didn't say it was legal. But all that said, often the leaders of organizations are some of the largest donors. I am not quite sure why it would be illegal in the new days of NIL.

Or maybe Penny wasn't very good at funneling his money.
 
Dark Bohner said:
He appears to be targeted for his recruiting at Georgia. This will likely be a dud for Syracuse. Good luck to him.
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Yep good luck to him. There was one school in upstate New York I was considering but fortunately I had someone who lived there and after hearing what that person had to say about upstate NY in the winter, I opted for a different location.
 
hokiehead said:
I'm considering this in context of the larger NIL discussion.

Your point is well made that it seems unlikely for coaches or star players to voluntarily share their income with players who don't command the same NIL market value. no argument. to your point above, I don't donate any part of my compensation to my co-workers, not even the ones who help me the most.

And, the current NIL model is asking the average fan to donate money in essentially the same manner that we're dismissing millionaire coaches and sponsored athletes from doing.

So, we're saying it's not reasonable to expect well compensated coaches and players to give to NIL, however, the team's success at least partially depends on the average fan donating. the fan who already paid somewhere between $50 and $400 per ticket, plus parking plus concessions possibly plus Buff Club donation ("and don't forget to buy a new gold colored jersey for the designated "Gold Rush" game!") .The expense of a college football game is already fairly close to that of an NFL game -- it seems to me the "fan supported NIL model" can't work.

How did we move so quickly from NIL being a thing funded by corporations for marketing purposes to being fan driven?

This doesn't seem sustainable.
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I also think that the future is almost inevitably that major college football is broken off into a new body separate from the NCAA and the conferences with collective bargaining, a unified set of rules, a group media deal, etc. But for now, it's the system that is and CU either embraces reality, finds advantages, and wins within this reality or we make excuses and lose while crying about how it's wrong and unfair.
 
Buffnik said:
I think the only way money gets channeled is if it's earmarked and separate from the compensation the individual has earned in the marketplace.

Nike is not going to pay to an NIL Collective in excess of what it was already willing to pay for the deal.

It's one thing if CU can divert money to NIL instead of it being AD revenue. That's what I was talking about.

It's up to the football program to both pay its coach his market value AND to provide the resources to get the players.

What some of you are saying is no different than if you thought that if they want to upgrade the training table to serve filet mignon instead of Salisbury steak that Coach Prime should pay for that out of his own pocket.
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hokiehead said:
How did we move so quickly from NIL being a thing funded by corporations for marketing purposes to being fan driven?

This doesn't seem sustainable.
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It really is quite remarkable how quickly the public has allowed the schools to change the focus from "The AD makes millions of dollars per year and the players get nothing; maybe they should be compensated from that money" to "the AD makes millions of dollars per year, but needs that money for reasons. The boosters need to make the pie bigger."
 
Am I the only one who feels like Mike Elko is an entirely uninspiring hire at eATMe? Solid coach, but not the kind of guy who is likely to take them to the level they expect to be at.
 
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