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Colorado & Utah To The Pac10 ? hmm ?

i could get into the move, but as OKC Buff has said....we are back on an island that despite fan "cultural interpretations" that may be more precarious than the current one (and seem to be based on personal desires and vacation more than objective program futures) .....the AD is hardly a "rock" these days. it's all slight of hand.

joining the Pac 10 won't change the fact we aren't very good at football.
 
BACK on an island? We already are on an island. While I'd miss the annual game vs. the ****ers at little, I wouldn't miss any other member of the Big XII. We have nearly zero in common with any other school in this conference, other than being in the same conference for a long time.

Make this **** happen.
 
96 Buff said:
BACK on an island? We already are on an island. While I'd miss the annual game vs. the ****ers at little, I wouldn't miss any other member of the Big XII. We have nearly zero in common with any other school in this conference, other than being in the same conference for a long time.

Make this **** happen.
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I agree. The only way we're not on an island is if we form some kind of juiced up MWC, and that doesn't thrill me in the least.

It's a simple fact that CU has more alumni in California than any other state other than Colorado. We wouldn't have to travel well. It would be like when NU comes here. It's not like the entire state of *ebraska gets in the car and makes the trek to Boulder. No, the assholes are already here. If we're in the Pac 10, we are those assholes.
 
I am 100% for CU joining the Pac 10.

If Mizzou and CU get poached from the Pac 10, the Big 12 should move the Oklahoma schools back to the North to restore what's left of the Big 8.
 
@ sacky

the move would be worth it just to stick it to the coloradans for nubs or whatever the **** they call themselves.
 
it's really sad since it's all about media markets and TV deals while good football has been played in Colorado and Oklahoma and Nebraska and Missouri and Kansas since forever. but, somehow that's not enough anymore.

CU has more total wins *all time* than any Pac 10 school that isn't USC.
 
Junction said:
:wtf:

How can it be a longer drive from Boulder to Tempe than Boulder to Tucson, which is pretty much due south of Tempe? Oregon and OSU are exactly the same distance, and both are farther away than UW, which is all the way on the pacific coast and farther away from Boulder on a north/south basis? It's a shorter drive to USC and UCLA (again, about as far west as you can go, and a big drop to the south) than either Oregon school??

Something seems very strange with those numbers... :huh:
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Yeah, I know. But I just did "Boulder, Colo. to ________" on Google maps and recorded all the answers. For the Tempe/Tucson example, it had you driving on I-40/I-17 for Boulder to Tempe and I-25/I-10 for Boulder to Tucson. So that's probably a reason why it's so weird.

I'm really torn on this issue. I was raised in L.A. but have deep ties in OK/TX area. I can see pluses for being in both leagues. I just hate the thought of losing all the history with the Big Eight schools, but the Big 8 is dead now so I guess I shouldn't worry about that as much.
 
We may want to move as a pre-emptive strike. If godforbid Texas (or even Nebraska) leave for the or Big 10, that will really weaken the Big 12 and it's revenue.

If we can be the first to jump ship, we won't be left trying to salvage a Big 12 minus Texas, Mizzou, or Nebraska.
 
I'm not necessarily saying I want BYU in the Pac-10, but what I dont understand is if they have such an issue with BYU, why do they play us almost every year?
2010 - Washington
2009 - Oregon St (bowl game)
2008 - Washinton, UCLA, AZ (bowl game)
2007 - AZ, UCLA, UCLA (bowl game)
2006 - AZ, Oregon (Bowl game)
2005 - Cal (Bowl game)
2004 - Stanford, USC
2003 - USC, Stanford
2001 - Cal
Not saying that Utah is a bad choice for Pac-10, but if they want the Utah market, BYU has more (no hard data, but on gameday traffic is tons better driving from Provo to SLC than SLC to Provo). Also, because of religous affilation, BYU can put 15,000+ fans most places they travel, especially in PAC-10 country. That being said I would rather see BYU join Big 12.
ScottyBuff said:
Reasons why BYU won't be invited:
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I want baseball damnit. If it takes us going to the 12Pac then I'm all for it. It still probably won't happen.
 
ByuBuff said:
I'm than SLC to Provo). That being said I would rather see BYU join Big 12.
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Any BCS conference is an improvement over the existing MWC arrangement.

Please Xplain your B12 is preference over the Pac-10.
Is 'California fatigue' a factor?
 
ByuBuff said:
I'm not necessarily saying I want BYU in the Pac-10, but what I dont understand is if they have such an issue with BYU, why do they play us almost every year?
2010 - Washington
2009 - Oregon St (bowl game)
2008 - Washinton, UCLA, AZ (bowl game)
2007 - AZ, UCLA, UCLA (bowl game)
2006 - AZ, Oregon (Bowl game)
2005 - Cal (Bowl game)
2004 - Stanford, USC
2003 - USC, Stanford
2001 - Cal
Not saying that Utah is a bad choice for Pac-10, but if they want the Utah market, BYU has more (no hard data, but on gameday traffic is tons better driving from Provo to SLC than SLC to Provo). Also, because of religous affilation, BYU can put 15,000+ fans most places they travel, especially in PAC-10 country. That being said I would rather see BYU join Big 12.
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BYU has its own TV network, won't play on Sunday in any sport, and has an administration that's notoriously difficult to deal with (kind of a Notre Dame type situation). Also, the religious affiliation and not having status as a Tier 1 grad research university is a cultural break for the Pac. No one is denying that BYU's sports teams are good, the AD generates a lot of revenue, and the team has a great following in Utah and some other areas in the West and Pacific. Just not a good fit.
 
I think BYU is a better cultural fit with the Big 12 than Pac-10 for the very reasons that were listed as to why Pac-10 would not want BYU. Although I would love to silence those who love to say, "BYU would be a middle of the Pac-10 team".
 
Buffnik said:
BYU has its own TV network, won't play on Sunday in any sport, and has an administration that's notoriously difficult to deal with (kind of a Notre Dame type situation). Also, the religious affiliation and not having status as a Tier 1 grad research university is a cultural break for the Pac. No one is denying that BYU's sports teams are good, the AD generates a lot of revenue, and the team has a great following in Utah and some other areas in the West and Pacific. Just not a good fit.
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Not sure how much of a factor it would be to the Pac-10, but after the Prop. 8 war in California, I've got to think there are quite a few people out there that would be less than jazzed to have BYU suddenly show up in the Pac-10....
 
I get all that especially with the Sunday play issue. I guess they are ok dealing with us a few games a year but would not want us having a vote in the conference.
 
I've talked myself into completely agreeing with this idea. The only reasons not to jump would be nostalgia and $$$. I'm assuming that the $$ would be favorable or more with a new Pac 12 TV network (the Big 12 is way behind on this issue). As far as nostalgia goes, I love the Big 8, but the Texas teams have taken over the identity of the Big 12, and the trend is only getting worse. CU can really hurt UT by moving - I like it.
 
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damn. if UT is thinking of bolting to the Big X, there goes CU's bargaining posture with the pac12... CU gotta be first...
 
SnowBuff said:
damn. if UT is thinking of bolting to the Big X, there goes CU's bargaining posture with the pac12... CU gotta be first...
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Maybe a little bit. They could tell CU to just stay and sink with the rest of the Big XII. But if they do, they're still kissing the Denver TV market and CU's academic profile goodbye, and if they're serious about expanding neither one is easy to replace anyplace in their geographic area. Damn near impossible if the UT longshot is off the table for them...
 
Junction said:
Maybe a little bit. They could tell CU to just stay and sink with the rest of the Big XII. But if they do, they're still kissing the Denver TV market and CU's academic profile goodbye, and if they're serious about expanding neither one is easy to replace anyplace in their geographic area. Damn near impossible if the UT longshot is off the table for them...
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agreed, but it would be nice to have a viable alternative to the Pac10 so we could get them to show some seirous $$
 
if CU lands in the p10 and csu lands in the b12, i wonder what will happen to our in-state fan base? if csu basically replaces the Buffs in the b12 and takes over the historical games v. the fuskers, ku, ou, etc., then will some in-staters, especially out on the eastern plains, shift their allegiance from CU (that psuedo-california school!) to the sheep? we already have to fight the elitism thing in the press and small towns in state... this could make it worse.

just throwin' it out there for consideration...
 
Liver said:
if CU lands in the p10 and csu lands in the b12, i wonder what will happen to our in-state fan base? if csu basically replaces the Buffs in the b12 and takes over the historical games v. the fuskers, ku, ou, etc., then will some in-staters, especially out on the eastern plains, shift their allegiance from CU (that psuedo-california school!) to the sheep? we already have to fight the elitism thing in the press and small towns in state... this could make it worse.

just throwin' it out there for consideration...
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you wont have to worry about that because there is NO way the sheep will be asked to join the bigXII.
 
@bob...

i am not so sure about that. the b12 is going to be in a much different position if CU and mizzery bolt (and if ut goes, it will be really really ugly). the options for the b12 to replace the missing teams aren't great. they need to protect tv markets so just adding more texas schools won't be ideal to them. maybe they add csu (to try to keep some of the denver tv market) and maybe byu (same thing, utah market). or, maybe they just decide to go all texas and add like tcu and smu or something... then they would shift ou and osu to the b12 north and be able split ou and ut away from one another (which they've been wanting to do for some time).

i dunno. crazy.
 
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