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Forman's Challenge: Bulking up the Buffs

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Buffnik, Jan 18, 2015.

  1. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Premium article from Rivals that I didn't want folks to miss: https://colorado.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1726599

    "Coach [MacIntyre] has said to the team, to me, in public, we need to get bigger, stronger, more powerful. So what we're doing right now is geared around bigger and stronger," said Forman, the Buffs' director of sports performance. "I truly believe in a long term developmental aspect but if bigger and stronger is what we need, then bigger and stronger is what we're going to be, and what we're going to get."

    I believe that this is spot on. CU did not break tackles, drive through blocks or tackles, or win the point of attack often enough last season. Bigger and stronger is absolutely necessary for the 2015 season.
     
  2. boydbuff

    boydbuff Club Member Club Member

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    I agree. But didnt you get the opinion that formanhad a different strategy but HCMM is forcing his hand? I thought it was curious the way Forman spoke about his preference for lt dev


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  3. DBT

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    Is Forman responsible for the BBall team? Because I'm wondering if bulking up/weight training might have something to do with Josh's back.
     
  4. OUBuff

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    Going to Pump Up the flabby losers...
    [video=youtube_share;WxjCJxfECD8]http://youtu.be/WxjCJxfECD8[/video]
     
  5. GoonieBuff

    GoonieBuff Not really Club Member

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    Why? Bulking up and weight training might've prevented back issues from happening sooner. I'm choosing to believe that Josh's back problems are due to the school not providing Sleep Number beds in athlete housing.
     
  6. buffaholic

    buffaholic Club Member Club Member

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    Forman has football team only.
     
  7. bigbang2

    bigbang2 Typical, brain knowledge or the ability to have a

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    Gillam should add about 10 pounds with no additional body fat.
     
  8. DBT

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    They should hire me. I'm good at bulking up.
     
  9. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Only 10? That's a joke, right?
     
  10. SBG

    SBG Formerly known as EFNMB Club Member Junta Member

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    Can't gain mass without fat unless it's beginner gains. Gotta add fat, but now is the time to bulk up and the team can cut during the summer.
     
  11. bigbang2

    bigbang2 Typical, brain knowledge or the ability to have a

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    235 pounds would be okay, don't want him to lose his speed.
     
  12. 96 Buff

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    Gotta shave 0.5 off his 40 time somehow.
     
  13. lawdogg

    lawdogg Club Member Club Member

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    Gillam was weighing closer to 200 by the end of the season. That's why Duff was suggesting he'll need to add more than ten pounds.
     
  14. bigbang2

    bigbang2 Typical, brain knowledge or the ability to have a

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    Why not, he should run 4.2 seconds 40, beat the combine record.
     
  15. sackman

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    Back spasms can happen any time. I'm not sure you can put that on Forman. I've gotten them, and they are insanely painful. You can't work them out, stretch them, anything. They just go away when they're ready to do so.
     
  16. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Correct.
     
  17. DiggerBuffs

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    Good for MacIntyre. Lifting isn't a white collar thing. It's a blue collar, hard working thing where in order to get stronger you have to get more weight on the damn bar. I read this guy when he was hired and it was all education **** and proper technique and all. Technique takes a few lifting sessions, get some weight on the bar and increase strength numbers. This isn't the NFL where everyone just needs to stay healthy and toned. This is college where they need to add strength and the 18-22 age is the best age to take that next step. This is a reason I believe MacIntyre inquired about McChesney. He knew Matt got his guys stronger and ready for the next level and saw their improvement. He has not been happy with the minor gains in two years. Time to take a big leap.
     
  18. onealcd

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    I think we have to give credit to Forman for the shape and condition of the team. Now it is time to put some muscle to go along with that.
     
  19. Bufffan68

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    Agree with Digger...I think Mac believes Foreman needs help getting a motivated, blue-collar attitude in the weight room and Matt M can bring that...and he can kick the butt of the slackers.

    If this team can get bigger/stronger, or as Mac puts it 'more explosive', and the D is improved, I will get closer to what could be called hope for this program.
     
  20. Shldr2Shldr

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    Think that is why McC is rumored to be coming in. Foreman is high IQ long term strength training. McC is blue collar grunt work, get strong training. If they can work together, could be a hell of a team.

    Foreman has set the foundation with theses guys and getting their bodies right. Time to start building on that foundation. Good move to change strategies I think.

    Also sounds like HCMM has found his voice with this staff. Feels like he is starting to demand some things from them, and is holding them to expectations. Maybe a kick in the ass from the AD behind the scenes? If anything, I like the bits and pieces I have heard about the changes HCMM plans to make this year.
     
  21. slystone

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    http://www.buffzone.com/ci_27341460/cu-football-building-strong-foundation-buffs

    The Buffs S and C program has been woefully behind the times for at least couple of years. The guy that Hawk brought with him from BSU was more of a meathead type of lifter...more weight for fewer reps..no emphasis on speed and agility...Coach Blacken was very good for the players..he emphasized functional strength, along with speed and agility--the new guy, forman has really messed up on the foundation that Coach Blacken had built. Another way to look at things is that Blacken is an NFL S and C guy..this is Forman's first power conference job. He totally misjudged what his charges were up against in the Pac 12. When Forman took over..he put everyone [ including the OL and DL guys] on a cross fit type of program. He emphasized lower weight but with many many reps. He de-ephasized olympic movements which often imitate football moves. As a consequence, guys like tupo, solis, harris, handler, munyer, crabb...were underweight and had lost much of the strength that blacken's program and his assistants had built up. within the program it was no secret that harris, munyer, crabb and handler were playing at 280 lbs vs pac 12 DL who were tipping the scales at 310 lbs + who wins that battle ? Talk to bakhtiari...one of the things that tipped the scales for him to depart was the "new regime" and its S and C program..no continuity...forman came in and burnt it down with the idea that he had to build it from scratch..look back at the articles that were written in the daily camera and on rivals..."the first year we are going to build a base..." It doesnt work that way...the conference as a whole gets bigger-stronger-faster every off season...it doesnt wait for CU to rerack their S and C program. But, that is what Forman insisted on doing..Go back to the final game of the 2011 season vs utah..utah's D line featured two future NFL guys in Star and Krueger..look at the tape...the Cu line pushed them all over the field...There is a guy on the CU rivals site who fancies himself an O line guru...he sung the praises of Forman and his progam...he was dead wrong on forman..now fast forward to the last couple of weeks..Mac is in the press talking about the need to get STRONGER AND MORE PHYSICAL on both lines-it also doesnt seem like forman is buying into it either. Over the last couple of years, forman has alienated his staff and the players. In spite of the rhetoric that the players have bought in, they know better. Under Blacken, there was a great sense of brotherhood being developed..and this included the assistant lifting guys.the kids know what is going on. They know that forman is misguided with his program..Mac has gone as far as to attempt to hire matt machesney. Hiring a guy like matt would be a godsend for the players...Because of the methods of Forman, they have been bringing a knife to a gunfight every week. They dont stand a chance. It is often said that the most important coach in college football besides your position coach is the S and C guy--> read this article about OSU http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1787239-meet-mickey-marotti-urban-meyers-secret-weapon
    This is how the big boys get it done. CU is way behind when it comes to nutrition also...They are singing the praises of hiring a nutritional guide...guess what? UCLA has 6 of them on staff and they are understaffed. When ND brought in brian kelly, his first decree was to make it mandatory that the players ate three meals a day at the football building...year around ! CU...the kids get 1 meal there...think about how 18 to 21 year old guys eat...they grab whatever they can on the run...even a program like indiana has a spectacular dining room for their athletes..3 meals per day mandatory...for my 2 cents..i would examine every aspect of the S and C program...we all know that the larger facility is about 15 years too late..again, every team in the Pac 12 has updated their facilities in the last 3/5 years..wash, wash state, oregon, oregon st, stanford, cal, ASU, USC, UCLA is building a new building...the conference doesnt stand still while forman and crew are learning on the job !
     
  22. Shldr2Shldr

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    First of all Forman was an S&C assitant coach praised by Harbaugh at Stanford. He has the background. Second, while Blacken did appear to be getting some power out of his players, their conditioning was not where it needed to be, especially at altitude. It is what caused the buffs to wilt so much in the 4th quarter under the previous staff. Forman is getting the conditioning to the point it needs to be in the Pac-12, with the high powered offenses.

    Also, the facilities are getting fixed. The training table included. Hopefully that helps with the nutrition aspect, although seeing the food they get to eat at Dal Ward, I don't think that is a problem.
     
  23. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Interesting stuff, slystone.

    I would say that you overstated things on Blacken. The first thing he did was cross training to slim guys down. Ryan Miller and other OLs looked way too skinny when they got to their first season under Blacken. Seems like that process was repeated under Forman.

    Totally agree on things like the nutritionist and the CU meal program for athletes. On top of that, they actually had to purchase new equipment so that the team could do more power-forcus lifts this winter. There is a lot that CU has to improve and fix in order to be a big boy program again. I'm just glad that it's finally been recognized as an issue that CU wants to solve and things are happening.
     
  24. Uncle Ken

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    Interesting take. I've seen first hand Coach Foreman's program, which comprehensively graphs the explosive/mass/range/repetition and endurance requirements for each individual position and player. I'd argue that there are few smarter in the business than Foreman.

    One of the complaints that I've heard from players is the lack of buy-in from some of the previous staff's recruits. Specifically, before the season a player told me that they were going to lose games that season because a group of upper classmen didn't give a **** and didn't listen to the S&C staff. So that piece may be on Foreman (inability to motivate some players), and that may create a perfect niche for a guy a guy like McChesney, but I think you need to be a bit broader in your analysis of this program's scope (to include the thresholds of the players themselves).

    It almost seems like you have an agenda.
     
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    I hope this a joke. For number's sake, let's say he runs a 4.5 right now. You want him to get down to a 4.0? That doesn't happen.... ever.
     
  26. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I'm interested in peoples' takes on the S&C Coaches CU has had.

    I am certainly not an expert in this area and, unlike when it comes to the game of football, I don't feel like I'm well enough informed on S&C philosophies and techniques to have much of an opinion. I go by whether the S&C Coach sounds like he knows his business and then what the eyeball test tells me when I see how big/fast/fit the team looks and see how many shoulder injuries and the like that the team suffers during the year.

    How do you folks compare Forman, Blacken and Pittman?

    I remember that some of our experts were very critical of Pittman allowing poor form on power lifts and that guys were injuring themselves (or setting themselves up for injury) by doing max lifts on a regular basis with improper technique.
     
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    A HUGE ommission in that post was the injuries under Blacken and to a lesser extent Hawk's guy. I think there is a reasonable correlation between injuries on-field and off-field training (weight, stretching, etc.) and Blacken seemed to want to jump right into a program that the players physically were not ready for the NFL regiment that Blacken used as the base of his training.

    Blacken did make the weight room a lot nicer though. Before Blacken it was just a white, dreary ass room. I think Blacken is a good S&C coach, but I don't think he geared his philosophy to 18-24 year old's and all the challenges that brings to the table that you don't have to face at the NFL level.
     
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    Wasn't this the mantra of the previous S&C coach who everyone hated?
     
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    Everyone hated Blacken?
     
  30. Shldr2Shldr

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    I think Blacken was one guy from the previous staff that most were hoping we kept. Seemed like decent results from his program. That being said, I don't feel like Forman is in over his head or is a bad S&C coach as is being implied by SlyStone
     

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