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Hawkins in way over his head, needs to go now for the good of the program.

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by MtnBuff, Nov 3, 2009.

  1. MtnBuff

    MtnBuff Not allowed in Barzil 2 Club Member

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    The problem is that we never knew what DS had. Hawkins has run this program like a Big Sky program since he got here. I am as big a proponent of a solid walk-on program as anyone on this board but damn it Hawkins if you want to run a program with a bunch of lunchbucket effort guys who didn't have enough talent to get major college offers, go to D-2 or D-3. This is big boy football and Hawkins is not a big boy coach.

    DScott is just the tip of the iceberg. How many other top athletes are sitting on the bench because they didn't practice like Hawk thought they should. I love Speedy and Lockridge and Sumler are both quality effort guys but realistically how many Big XII coaches would be playing Sumler 1/2 the game with a talent like Scott on the bench. Claiming he has been out of shape or injured is a giant crock as well. There is no part of football more violent than KO returns, he was healthy enough to return kicks but not enough to play offense, give me a break.

    This is not pee-wee recreational league sports. There is no rule saying everybody gets to play and those who try hardest get to play the most. A coaches job is not to play the guys who work the hardest and try to maximize their skills, his job is to play the guys who have the most skill and get them to maximize their effort. Do we see Texas or Oklahoma putting top recruits on the bench so a hard working walk-on or even a lesser talented recruit can play? Absolutely not, they play the guys who have the talent to be difference makers and figure out how to get them to play their hardest.

    Scott is not the only example of this. You only have to look at the WR position, or at Mohler sitting, or at some of the DL decisions over the past few years, etc. etc. etc. Right now you can't tell me that Simmons and Wright are not more capable of having a positive impact than Espy and Ebner, but who is in the game for crunch time. Who started the year at safety until they got fried like potatos in hot grease repeatedly against teams with limited talent like CSU and Toledo.

    I do not have contacts on the team and won't claim to but it clearly looks like things are crumbling down, players are leaving, those who are staying are playing like they have already lost from the start of the game. Four years in and we still cannot call a play, line up, and snap the ball consistently without getting delay of game penalties or having to rush and making mistakes.

    Hawk sets "high standards" for everyone out there but himself. If a player had shown a lack of ability to adjust, a lack of willingness to correct mistakes, and a lack of willingness to accept responsibility for his errors that Hawk has shown he would be benched or long gone. Hawk has, and continues to do all this and is getting support from the AD and the Chancelor.

    It is time for Hawk to go, hire an interim HC and find a quality coordinator in the off-season who is willing to commit himself to making CU football what it can and should be, not this crap.
     
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  2. buffsyko

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    Nicely done. :thumbsup:
     
  3. Idot Buff

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    Well done.....
     
  4. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I was too lazy to read the it, but figured I'd join the fun by quoting the whole thing too. :thumbsup:
     
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    :thumbsup:Reptastic. That is the funniest thing I have read all day!
     
  6. DBT

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    One thing we can believe in are the kids on this team. They will get it done. There are kids waiting in the wings who are winners.
     
  7. MtnBuff

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    I agree completely with you on this point. If Bohn will have the courage to do his job and replace Hawkins now we have a core of quality young players who will can insure that we don't completely drop to the depths and provide hope for future recruits.

    This is why it is important to make the change now. These kids deserve the chance to show what they can do and recognize the rewards for their talents and hard work.
     
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    It's pretty weird how Josh Smith got the same treatment his last year. "Injured" which meant relegated to returning kicks only. These coaches don't have a clue.
     
  9. DBT

    DBT Club Member Club Member

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    Could it be that they do? Just asking.
     
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    Would they be 15-30 and sinking like a stone if they did?

    Just asking.... :cool:
     
  11. Buffalo Brad

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    Great post Mnt. Rep delivered.
     
  12. bombay

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    That's just fantastic. Waiting in the wings while the team piles up losses and the coach gets fired?

    Brilliant.
     
  13. DBT

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    Fair question. I don't know. What I do know is that a lot of the young men do believe in Hawkins. I also know that they are aware of message board chatter. I am aware of a lot of things. I'm also aware that I am becoming less and less welcome here for trying to stand up for what I believe is right. What I believe is right is that Hawkins gets one more year. But that is not my decision to make. And I will support whatever decisions the program does make.

    What I do not know is if Hawkins can be a good coach. However, he was damned successful prior to coming here.
     
  14. Darth Snow

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    you are as welcome here as I am welcome in the polotics forum :smile2:
     
  15. DBT

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    :thumbsup:
     
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    The thing you gotta understand though is he was successful at a school that was already rolling. He didn't build BSU up, he just kept it going.
     
  17. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    to be fair, williamette sucked ass before he got there.
     
  18. TheRoyale90

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    That's a DIV III school or NAIA?
     
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    Dude!!?!?!?! You are serious aren't you! I thought you have been joking about this Hawk support crap! HAHA HA! you are killing me DBT!
     
  20. Timbuff10

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    Don't forget that it is looking like Peterson? is who has been supplying the smoke and mirrors up there and not Hawkins. I remember when Hawk got hired and a few days later they announced that his OC was not coming with and would be taking the job up there... I was kinda ticked about that at the time... Who knew that he was the guy we thought we hired.
     
  21. White_Rabbit

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    Well I certainly don't know, but that's definitely what it looks like. What makes you think they do have a clue?
     
  22. buffsfan01

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    wow i guess bob stoops is a dumbass he plays his best players...unlike hawkypoo and hagone when will it end?
     
  23. Mick Ronson

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    2.6 team GPA may work for Hawk. but, as an educator mahself, 2.6 is junk. Lol ****.

    not even a C+ average. the team grade average we've heard so much about.

    you have to try to fail at CU.
     
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  24. dcbuffman

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    Enough with the demonization. Did you guys watch Josh Smith and his nephew play? Despite lots of "talent" and great high school highlight films, these guys didn't perform particularly well in their primary posititions. (Both did well on special teams.)

    Do you really believe that OU, UT, Florida and Alabama play kids who don't learn the playbook, miss assignments, can't block and rarely do much on the field, because some scouting service pinned 5 stars on their chest? Really?

    DH deserves a lot of criticism, but we don't need to make up myths to demonize him.

    DBT: keep the faith. Some of us appreciate your posts and point of view.
     
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  25. BuffMania

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    Dirk Koetter was very successful at Boise State before leaving to ASU.

    He was then fired after stinkin' it up, but even his teams at ASU were better than the product we've seen under Hawkins.

    Hawkins needs to be fired as well.
     
  26. JimmyBuff

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    Talkins doesn't deserve another minute to be head coach at CU.. Its time to move on DBT, the program is in a bigger freefall than what Barney did at the end of 2005.. Yeah, I was in favor of Talkins getting another year earlier in the year. Now with players leaving and rumors of others leaving also he has TO GO NOW..
     
  27. BehindEnemyLines

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    That's something I've been pondering - former Boise State coaches always seem to be the "hot ticket". They get hired by a large conference D1 school and then fail. Seems to be a pattern here.
     
  28. MtnBuff

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    OU,UT, Florida, Alabama, U$C, etc. figure out how to get their talented kids on the field and playing effectively. This is what they call coaching. Coaching is not throwing your hands up and putting a guy on the bench while you play somebody who is going to get physically dominated no matter how well he knows his assignments and how much he hustles.

    I give Hawk credit for a lot of things including stepping up the level of recruiting significantly and running a clean, honest program.

    At the same time the record clearly shows that he has failed to use the talent that he has and both individual players and the program as a whole have failed to improve on the field. I can't buy that DS would be on the bench at any of the programs listed, they would figure out how to get him on the field, how to use him, and how to motivate him, not park him in the background and play people who are significantly less talented.
     
  29. key west buph

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    Fixed!! :thumbsup:
     
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