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Hawkins take on the QB situation

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Darth Snow, Mar 4, 2010.

  1. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Get ready for some heads to pop. :bang:. Also check out his take on the offensive coordinator position. Looks like he's still gonna micromanage...
    http://www.cubuffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=600&atclid=204900480

     
  2. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    This is one decision that Coach Hawk needs to completely leave in Kiesau's hands. EK's the quarterback coach and the offensive coordinator, so it's in his wheelhouse anyway. And there is no way a dad can be completely objective about his son.

    I will say this, though. Tyler is acting like he's the man and sounding like it in his interviews. My impression is that it's his job and he finally seems to have turned the corner and is ready to lead. Honestly, though, if Cody wasn't the coach's son I don't think that Dan's comments would be that big of a deal. We've got one QB who went 1-4 and another QB who went 2-5. While there are a ton of reasons that the job should be Tyler's, the bottom line is 1-4/ 2-5 / 3-9. Nobody should be exempt from competition with those numbers.

    Here's a brief interview Tom Kensler did with Tyler Hansen for the Post:

    “I want to go through all of spring practice without throwing an interception,” said Hansen, a junior-to-be. “I really want to do that. We have to learn that we absolutely can’t make turnovers.”

    And?

    “We need to get some swagger back,” Hansen said.

    Kensler was definitely complimentary. Sounded like he was impressed by him.
     
  3. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    I have a hard time with a coach who continues to employ the same tactics and strategies in the face of a 15-33 overall record. Note to Hawkins: Whatever you've been doing the last four years HAS NOT WORKED!!!
     
  4. chipwich

    chipwich Administrator Club Member Junta Member

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    exactly how I feel about the coaching staff..

    "when you go 3-9 and we're not going to open it up to competition? You're going to say somebody's an incumbent? I have a hard time with that when you win 10, let alone when you win three."
     
  5. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    At least in Danny's mind, the stage is being set for the return of Cody...I hope I'm wrong about that. "A sliver of difference?", really? Only to a Dad I suppose. I would imagine Cody has a sharper grasp on what the O is trying to do...even if it does change every year. Accuracy? I don't know about that....floaters thrown off the back foot aren't exactly what I would call an accurate throw, even if they do land in the vicinity of a WR. Hansen has a great deal of work to do, but it is painfully obvious who is the better athlete/QB. Give Hansen the reps and let him learn with experience. The numbers last year say a lot, TH had better numbers with less experience, and stiffer competition. If CH couldn't match offensive production in garbage time against the weak OOC CU had last year why in the world do you think he 's going to do it now? I have very little confidence at this point...
     
  6. Buffarino

    Buffarino Math - how does it work? Club Member

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    I think you're right, lefty. Dan-o is preparing us for the return of lil Hawk. I would be more upset about it, but this is exactly what I expect from him. If he hasn't learned from his mistakes in the past, why would he start now?
     
  7. buffs6236

    buffs6236 Club Member Club Member

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    You know this coaching staff really makes me want to bang my head through a brick wall. Why do we hear the same freaking thing YEAR after YEAR? Einstein said Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    How is this different from what this coaching staff is doing and administration? At least we realize there needs to be changes.
     
  8. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    Exactly. A dad is always going to favor his own son to some extent when it comes to playing time, it's simply human nature.
     
  9. fatbuff

    fatbuff Well-Known Member

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    This is ****ing stupid. Nothing has changed since November. Cody still holds the interception record, he does not make better decisions than TH. If Cody starts Dan needs to be fired on the spot. He obviously is incapable of learning anything. Probably going to try out the groupings again, too.
     
  10. dio

    dio Admin Club Member Junta Member

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    I don't think Dan is crazy enough to bring out Cody - how could you put your son in that situation?
     
  11. Mick Ronson

    Mick Ronson Well-Known Member

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    "I've always said Tyler is more athletic and has a stronger arm."

    there's some insight. oh boy. i think that aspect may be out of the realm of opinion venturing into the land of facts....along with gravity and the sky being blue.
     
  12. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    I am pretty much convinced we are going to see both QBs. Again.

    I guess I question how accurate Cody really is, along with his ability to read defenses. The kid has started many games over the last three seasons and still makes freshman mistakes. The whole situation is just hilariously bad.
     
  13. Buffarino

    Buffarino Math - how does it work? Club Member

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    I am absolutely convinced we will see Cody play meaningful minutes next season while Hansen is healthy.

    I love Cody's heart and I know he has given everything he has to the team, but he shouldn't be out there. He just doesn't have the tools.
     
  14. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    As much as I'd like to pile on either QB the hilariously bad unit last year was our Oline, and it wasnt even an athleticism or size issue like it is with the QB's. Iit was a coaching issue, how many dumb penalties and missed assignments did we have?
     
  15. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    :yeahthat: I'm sorry, but the kid who really can't throw anything beyond the 3 yard curl with any kind of success is not more accurate, he's just throwing routes that should be impossible to miss. The idea that there is only a sliver of difference is fantasy. TH is MUCH more athletic, has a clearly stronger arm and honestly gives up nothing in terms of decision making or reading defenses - supposed strengths of Cody's that have never shown up on the field.

    And if we're just playing the "everybody gets to compete" card, why no mention of Hirschman or any of the other QBs on the roster? We're all about open competition, but the only player other than the returning starter who seems to be in the discussion just happens to be Cody.

    This is still a ****ing joke, and it will be until a change is made...
     
  16. White_Rabbit

    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    Sigh.. just when it sounds like there isn't much to the Cody has a chance thing, there's Dan.

    I liked the subtle reference to having 6 OL for spring too. It has been many years since you only had 6 OL for spring man, stop ******* throwing in little excuses.
     
  17. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    Cody returning to the field is a good thing, in that it will help to facilitate Daddy Hawkins departure sooner rather than later.
     
  18. Razorbuff

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    Cody might grasp the offense somewhat better, but that would be about it. TH is far superior physically. CH might make an "accurate" throw, but because of lack of arm strength it gets picked. Also, his height greatly limits him. Though TH isn't super tall, he can still see over the line and throw over D-Linemen without having to put a ton of air under the ball. For CH to get a strong throw he has to step and drive with his back foot through the throw... he can't put alot of air under the ball. This creates issues with throwing lanes... CH can't throw over a 6 foot plus o-lineman unless he puts a ton of air under the ball... this gives DBs time to react. Essentially, because of his height, a large number of throws or options he has on a given pass play are taken away because there won't be a throwing lane for him to deliver the ball through, he will have to float a pass or he might not even be able to see a receiver because of his height. Combine the height issue with a lack of foot speed and a lack of a strong arm= difficulty. DH probably points to CHs freshman year... but I'm still not impressed. He was alright, but for throwing over 450 passes and having barely 3,000 passing yards makes one wonder. In addition, only one 300 yard game... if you are throwing 40 passes a game, you would hope for more than one 300 yarder... it's a tough situation for CH because dad wants his son to play, and I think CH takes alot of the heat for his dad's decisions
     
  19. 92Buff

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    Agree with all above. We have seen Cody's ceiling...give the majority of the reps to Tyler this spring and let him learn. If Cody was trotted out onto the field as a starter next fall in the absense of injury to Tyler, then he should be fired on the spot. If he loses to CSU, he should be fired on the spot...

    I have absolutely no confidence in DH's ability as a head coach, or in his ability to let his assistants do their job. He appears to have learned nothing over the past four years which is unbelievable!
     
  20. buffs04

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    Why is it that no other coach in the country - including Kiesau last year, who was then forced to publicly backpedal - has a problem with saying "he's our guy and we're going to stick with him"?

    Why is it ONLY Dan Hawkins that thinks he needs to have an open QB competition every year - if not every week? Might it have something to do with... I don't know... his relationship with one of his QBs?
     
  21. Razorbuff

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    I see nothing wrong with saying nobody's job is safe and having open competition. But when he says things like there is only a "sliver" of difference between TH and CH... when it's blatantly obvious to all who watched the Buffs who the better QB is... that is what makes no sense.
     
  22. Darian3Hagan

    Darian3Hagan '89 Player of the Year Club Member

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    I cant wait to hear the boos once Cody trots out there against CSU, this will be fun.
     
  23. Junction

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    Does it bother anybody else that Dan refers to that season like some kind of high water mark? "Gee, Cody won 6 games AND went to a bowl game and we still made HIM compete for his job - how can anybody think everybody doesn't have to compete every season after seeing that?" I guess to me it isn't that hard to imagine that a team that finished below .500 and lost the WeedEater bowl might still consider open competition for the QB spot, but to Dan apparently that season was so great that sticking with the status quo would have been the natural move... :huh:

    And yes, that does mean I think a 3-9 team should be looking at open competition for the position too. But the competition he's talking about has already happened for two years. For two years one player emerged the winner. The CLEAR winner imo. At some point rehashing the same competition over and over does nothing but disrupt the continuity of the team and leave everybody thinking the thoughts that are coming out in this thread. I would have far less problem with that story if it had been about a truly open competition than simply Tyler/Cody, round 57.... :rolling_eyes:
     
  24. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    The other gem in that interview was concerning the offense during his time at CU:

    :rofl2::rofl2:

    Is that why the offense was overhauled before the 2008 season and then changed again before 2009? He must honestly believe Buffs fans are the dumbest fans in America.
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  25. White_Rabbit

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    At least we finally have an answer to what offense we run: The Multiple.
     
  26. Mick Ronson

    Mick Ronson Well-Known Member

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    i don't know what to say about that quote. Auburn didn't have the personnel (their QB's on campus when Tuberville made the switch and hired that dude from Troy to be OC made Jamal Lord look like Dan Fouts in Year 1 of Callahan's mighty WCO). and UVA, well...UVA a great year is 7 wins in the ACC.

    Texas Tech and Leach rode the non-existing spread into a couple top 15 finishes. like the "style" or not, that's some significant success. the Hawkins "multiple offense" has finished last in the league in total yards the last two years. i think that's a more convincing stat than what happened in Charlottesville, VA.

    I am not advocating the spread here, btw.
     
  27. 92Buff

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    Let's just start with running "a" offense. I see/hear nothing but jibberish from this clown.

    It is very clear to me that it is not the kids - it is the coach.
     
  28. Mick Ronson

    Mick Ronson Well-Known Member

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    wasn't the "no huddle" popular, too? Sir Dan, hater of the masses? :thumbsup:

    i think the high water-mark of the spread in the Big XII was two years ago. so, maybe Dan just saw the Dark Knight, too.
     
  29. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    other then the whole Pete Carroll, Rich Rod and a number of other coaches who say every position is open every monday and you are fighting for minutes, no other coaches do this especially not good ones.
     
  30. GoBuffs08

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    Just hurry up and name CH the starter. With him and our player grouping offense we will be just fine. All we need to do is tweek a few little things, stop the gashers, and bring the lunch pail.

    We were only 10 plays away from a bowl game last year. Why is everyone so upset.

    Hawkins has a proven formula for winning 3 games a year. If things really pop from him in 2010, we could be looking at 4 and even an outside chance of 5 wins.

    Speaking for myself, I'm fully on-board with Hawkins, both CH and Daddy. Lead us to the promise land. 5 wins here we come!
     

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