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Latest Chip Brown update - 8:30 am CST

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by HotRack, Jun 7, 2010.

  1. HotRack

    HotRack Rez BubbleHead Club Member

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    Before I start summarizing what Chippy had to say on 104.9 The Whorn on my way into work this morning, I'd like to start off by saying: I EFFING HATE TEXAS!!!! (JUST ut, I do like living here...) sigh..

    Now that that's done, here we go:
    - Apparently COLORADO is on the same deadline clock as the Nubs and Mizzery. The latest deadline is June 15th, no talk of this Friday.

    - Our fortunes (complete opposite of '94) are directly tied to Texas. Larry Scott proposed a Colorado/Utah-only expansion scenario and the Pac-10 presidents summarily shot it down. To them it's Texas or bust.

    - Texas, above all else, wants to keep the B12 intact and (as we all know) will do anything to keep it that way. Thus the reaosn we are on the clock too.

    - Baylor situation: The primary invite from the Pac-10 remains CU along with the other B12 South schools. Baylor is obviously trying to pressure the TX state legislature into getting Baylor in insteda of us. Yes, Baylor is a private school and therefore, does not receive any state funding. BUT - the arm-twisting being used is much the same as in '94 (Brown quote) in that the Baylor alums in the legislature will constantly "remind" (through their votes) that UT, aTm, and Tech left Baylor behind. Never thought I'd see the day that college football rivalries would play out in state governments, but when money is involved, it's obvious all bets are off.

    - One thing working in our favor re: Baylor. Baylor alums do not have the clout in the TX state legislature like they did in '94. It seems the power player (as I'm sure is discussed in the other threads) is the lobbyist Buddy Jones. He apparently has somewhat of a direct line to Rick Perry and intends to use it. I guess this is where us CU fans need to hope Perry gives Jones his famous (or in-famous?) "Adios, Mo Fo!) line.

    - Nebraska is the lynch-pin of the 3 that have been given the ultimatums. Reason is due to the fact that their Board of Regents meets (I believe) this weekend and will give the final up/down to Osborne on what to do about expansion. If they vote to go - watch out, it gets ugly and the gloves are off.

    - Big 10 expansion: Most interesting nugget I got from the entire interview. Apparently, the B10 is fixated on NOTRE DAME as their primary avenue for expansion. If ND were to come over as the 12th team. The B10 is done for expansion. They stay at 12 teams and the Nubs and Mizzery are left in the cold. ND is battling old school vs. new school thinking at the higher levels of their administration. Old school guys are obviously happy with the status quo, whereas the new school guys are worried they may get left behind as they are not so sure that their contract with NBC/Comcast would get renewed when it expires. Of note: the old schoolers hold the majority of seats on their Board of Regents.

    Sorry for some of the disorganization and length. But I wanted to get this out to you guys since those of us down here will probably get some this news before the Mountain time zone since Chippy is right here in Austin. :thumbsup:
     
  2. superdeluxe

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    You can listen to Chip Brown from 1pm-4pm CST streaming online.
     
  3. dio

    dio Admin Club Member Junta Member

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    Better to stay in the B12 then be left out in the cold.
     
  4. OKCBuff

    OKCBuff Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. This is a deal where CU has to stay put and hope that NU does us a favor by bolting, because that's the only way this conference breaks down fully.

    Man... gonna be a long week.
     
  5. Mick Ronson

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    "104.9 the Horn" made me gag a little.
     
  6. HotRack

    HotRack Rez BubbleHead Club Member

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    One BIG thing I left out...Brown also said that the Pac-10 is willing to look at WHATEVER scenario that brings Texas to the Pac-10.

    Meaning if what Buddy Jones is doing right now leads to a UT power play to the Pac-10 to bring Baylor instead of us, then the Pac-10 is willing to concede.

    That's why I started the original post with the statement of hate for UT...
     
  7. superdeluxe

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    I don't think it is Texas' choice for Baylor is it? I think if Baylor is included is because the texas legislature forces Texas to take Baylor
     
  8. HotRack

    HotRack Rez BubbleHead Club Member

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    You're right, but what I'm getting at is that UT would be the proxy vehicle to the Pac-10 for the Texas State Legislature to issue the "Baylor or else" ultimatum for Pac-10 expansion that includes the other 3 Texas schools.
     
  9. sackman

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    Again, this Baylor talk is a bunch of horse feathers. I can't believe, for the life of me, that the Pac would give up the Denver market in order to appease a small group of Texas blowhards. If they do, then they get what they deserve, and we'll be better off letting them go, because that entire house of cards will collapse in short order.
     
  10. Hank

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    Funny that, according to Brown, the Pac or Big 10 will do whatever it takes to get Texas, meanwhile, the rest of the Big 12 cannot stand them.

    I am impressed by the number of board rooms that Chip Brown has made his way into. Maybe he skyped into the meetings?
     
  11. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    In further news: UT has demanded that the new Big Texas conference have its offices in Dallas, the conference championships for every sport be permanently located in Texas, the revenue sharing is at 70/30 going to the team making the appearance (and that teams that get on tv for a game against UT have to give half their extra to UT), the conference members in the pacific time zone have to get their states to switch to move to the central time zone so that Texas fans don't have to stay up so late to watch the Horns, and Arizona be re-named Aritejas, California be re-named Calitejas, Oregon re-named Oretejas and Washington re-named Bush.
     
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    Probably the first rep I've given on this topic.
     
  13. Razorbuff

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    So I guess the scary thing is this... what with the PAC 10 do to get Texas? They are obviously the big prize here. Does a Texas with the rest of the Big 12 south minus CU = more money to the PAC 10? (This is assuming Texas won't go without Baylor). Do they give up the potential cash cow that is Texas to take CU? CU makes much more sense that Baylor in almost every way imaginable, but it seems like it's not coming down to that, it's coming down to the PAC 10 will do whatever it takes to get Texas. Nothing is likely to happen until Nebraska ultimately makes its move, but hopefully Texas can't screw over a portion of the Big 12. What if they do? Do CU, KU, KSU, ISU suffer the fate of the old SWC leftovers (Houston, Rice, TCU, SMU, etc.)? Right now it seems like a bad position for CU. Best case is they go to the new PAC 16 (but are still stuck with Texas), middle scenario is the Big 12 stays alive (CU stays, Neb and Mizzou leave, and the conference becomes even more Texas-centric... or perhaps Utah and TCU get added), or worst case a new MW/Big 12 is formed where the remainders from the Big 12 come in, the MWC drops its lowest rated teams, and a new conference is formed... there would be no Texas, but schools survive on football revenue, and unfortunately such a conference wouldn't bring in much.
     
  14. superdeluxe

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    Texas= 7-10 million per team, per year.

    No way the pac-10 gets 20 million per team if Texas is not around.
     
  15. OKCBuff

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    But again, nothing could be done with that unless the Aggie Gov. calls a special session. The legislature won't meet again until Jan. 2011. Hell, some of those BU alum reps/sens might lose in November and not even be around.

    There are 181 members in the Texas Legislature. I just can't see 15-20 mucking this up, UNLESS Perry calls a special session demanding Baylor go too.
     
  16. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    And what can the Texas schools get without the Pac 10 schools? Even less. California is bigger than Texas and has more money. Plus, CA is partnered with Phoenix and Seattle which are both bigger than any of the Big 12 markets outside of Houston and Dallas-Ft Worth. Take away Denver, St. Louis and the national ratings driver Husker and the Big 12 becomes a recreation of the SWC (minus Arkansas and plus the Oklahoma and Kansas schools). I'm not so sure that most Texans would have a problem with that, actually. They'd like to drop Iowa State, too.
     
  17. Hank

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    But it is a BLOCK of 15 legislators.
     
  18. superdeluxe

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    New Chip update, Pac-10 will be sending out invites this week.

    This thing will go down fairly fast imho.
     
  19. Razorbuff

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    The PAC 10 needs Texas. The shorthorns= big money for the PAC 10 schools. Inversely, the PAC 10 also offers Texas the potential of making more money as well. However, if Texas is going to go to the PAC 16, they want to make damned sure they have their own "bloc" of voters if you will for conference voting purposes. Taking the entire Big 12 South with them = strong Texas support in the new conference= Texas is much closer to dominating right off the bat. Alternate scenario, UT doesn't go to the PAC, they know they will still make money... might not help all the other Texas schools, but UT will still be just fine. They are in the position of power right now I'd say. If they are really able to dictate that the PAC take Baylor over CU, then we will see how powerful they really are.
     
  20. pwbuffan

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    This is starting to sound like a UT moive to keep the Big 12 together.
     
  21. BlackNGold

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    CU is in NO bargaining position, unfortunately. CU is in unenviable position of being a throw-in (or throw out) on the deal.

    Still think keeping the Big 12 together is the best thing for CU.
     
  22. MrFrumpylane

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    I'd prefer if the Pac10 waits till the Big10 sorts out their ND/Mizzou/NU issue first before sending invites. CU's future is brighter in this scenario.
     
  23. Razorbuff

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    Either way, unfortunately, it seems CU is going to be stuck with Texas or left out. If the PAC 16 doesn't happen, then CU is probably (from a revenue standpoint) better to stay in the Big 12. However if Mizzou and Nebraska leave, the conference gets weaker and TV revenues won't be up to par with alot of other conferences. In addition, the revenue sharing will still be in Texas and OU's favor... that being said, its still better than trying to be in some new Mountain West Conference.
     
  24. superdeluxe

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    I think the pac-10 is just positioning themselves to move quickly.
     
  25. SuperD

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    Latest Chip Brown twitter is that the other 5 schools are getting their invites but the last one is still up in the air between Baylor and us.
     
  26. BuffNut99

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    We're going to get screwed.
     
  27. OKCBuff

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    I hate to agree... hope we're wrong... our AD mess and crappy football team couldn't have come at a worse time. If this expansion move is made in 2001 we're a lock for sure.

    @ChipBrownOB: Orangebloods.com: Texas, A&M, TTech, OU and Ok St getting invites to Pac-10. Last invite still up in air between CU and Baylor.
     
  28. SanDiegoBuff

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    Chip is still a mouthpiece for UT and has a vested interest in pushing UTs agenda. Do what UT wants (using Baylor as a scare tactic to hold the Big 12 together) or lose insider access. Baylor is NOT going to the Pac 10.
     
  29. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    Actually, I think it might be a good thing if CU got left out.

    In the few revenue generating sports that exist, CU is not all that competitive. When it comes to football, CU is going to have a hard time competing in the Pac-10, just like it has a difficult time competing in the Big 12, because there just isn't enough interest and committment to winning at CU. CU already has a very tough time competing year in - year out with the likes of OU, Texas, Texas A&M, Nebraska, etc. - just imagine if you add in USC, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona, etc. to the mix.

    CU would be much better off finding it's way into the MWC with schools like Air Force, CSU, New Mexico, etc. - teams that it could more realistically compete with.
     
  30. SuperD

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    I wish I had your confidence, but we have zero leverage in this thing...the PAC schools are hurting, toss enough cash in front of them and they might agree. Like it or not, the current state of our AD is what is allowing this to even be a question.
     

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