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Mike Stoops or Dirk Koetter?

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by bigskysooner, Dec 6, 2012.

  1. bigskysooner

    bigskysooner New Member

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    Both have BCS HC and Pac experience. I know Koetter was interested last time around. Both have recruiting ties in the West.
     
  2. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    Hell no and also hell no.
     
  3. Buffarino

    Buffarino Math - how does it work? Club Member

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    No thanks to either one.
     
  4. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    **** no
     
  5. SuperiorBuff

    SuperiorBuff Well-Known Member

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    That's right up there with "why doesn't Wade Philips get another NFL gig?", stupid.
     
  6. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    No need for a failed BSU retread and a psycho coach.
     
  7. DenverBuff77

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    I almost choked on an egg white as I read the title.
     
  8. BuffCat

    BuffCat Club Member Club Member

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    State of Arizona rejects? Pass.
     
  9. Okie Buff

    Okie Buff New Member

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    OMG -- A big Hell NO to Stoops
     
  10. btbuff

    btbuff It's an inside joke Club Member

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    :wtf:
     
  11. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    I'll take whatever is behind door #3, Monty....
     
  12. CUBUFF80

    CUBUFF80 No Stinkin' Title Club Member

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    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Yes to the latter.
     
  14. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    CU could do worse. Not wild about either but Koetter was over .500 and four bowl games in six years at ASU...seriously, tell me you wouldn't take that now.
     
  15. White_Rabbit

    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    Well we almost had Koetter before, might as well give him a go this time.
     
  16. CUBUFF80

    CUBUFF80 No Stinkin' Title Club Member

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    I've always been a huge Leeman Bennett fan, but I think he's too old.
     
  17. bigskysooner

    bigskysooner New Member

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    Wow. State of Arizona should be thankful for what both these two left them. Arizona = Colorado when Mike Stoops took over. Rich Rod has said many times how he was amazed at what Mike Stoops left him and how he was grateful for them not burning RS's etc. Dykes and Kingsbury both coached there too. Koetter is well respected for X's and O's but wasn't great kissing *****. Ask Boise St. fans who they would want back if CP left. Most would suggest Dirk, IMO.
     
  18. DBT

    DBT Club Member Club Member

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    Come on people, they have a track record. We'd know what we are getting.
     
  19. azbuff

    azbuff Club Member Club Member

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    I'd take Koetter, but not Stoops.
     
  20. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    Either one would be a huge yawn and a "meh". I'd much rather have MacIntyre or Deruyter first.
     
  21. NYbuffDIEHARD

    NYbuffDIEHARD Active Member

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    I would take either of them. Both did well, got to bowls, thatis my immidiate goal, 6-6.
     
  22. Okie Buff

    Okie Buff New Member

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    Stoops couldn't cut it at Arizona.

    Let me refresh memories about his defense at Oklahoma

    Oklahoma 50 West Virginia 49 (Nov 17, 2012)
    ..................................................OU.... ...WVU
    FIRST DOWNS................... ..........30..... ...32
    RUSHES-YARDS (NET)..............31-108 ....47-458
    PASSING YDS (NET)............. ......554.... ...320
    Passes Att-Comp-Int................. 51-38-1.. .35-20-2
    TOTAL OFFENSE PLAYS-YARDS...82-662.... 82-778
     
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  23. SuperiorBuff

    SuperiorBuff Well-Known Member

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    Again, **** Boise ****ing State and anyone from there. 3 for 3 on failed head coaches from there.
     
  24. azbuff

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    Why? I'm not a fan of Stoops, but Koetter has experience coaching and recruiting in the Pac-12 and is currently the OC for the team with the best record in the NFL. We have no idea what we'd be getting with MacIntyre or Deruyter. With Dirk, I think we can expect six wins almost every year after the first year.
     
  25. CVilleBuff

    CVilleBuff Club Member Club Member

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    Look, you must not follow CU much, because no sane Buff fan would suggest Koetter. He was marginally more "successful" at ASU than Hawk was at CU (meaning, instead of usually winning 3-5 games, he often won 4-6.. in a weaker conference at the time). We're obviously not going to hire a Boise guy with Hawk so fresh in our memories.
     
  26. Gold

    Gold Well-Known Member

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    If you think Stoops or Koetter are legit candidates, eat a snickers then come back.

    Per Falcons, success might have something to do with Ryan, Jones, White, Turner, Gonzales... he didn't recruit these guys to ATL. He inherited a beast of a team.
     
  27. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    3 for 3? Who are the other two failures? Dirk was above .500, four bowls in six years winning two of those bowls, and routinely beat in state rival AZ. Didn't set the world on fire but failure is a little unfair.

    Nutt did OK at Arky. He was up and down but had a 10 win seasons, eight bowls in ten years and 61% winning percentage. He flamed out after a decent start at Ole Miss (24-26), but again, failure?
     
  28. bigskysooner

    bigskysooner New Member

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    You should also look at how WVU did against LSU in 2011. Maybe pull some stats from MacIntyre at Duke as DC or DeRuyter at A$M as DC. I think every coach is going to have some bad games on their resume.
    How about Nick Saban vs. Utah in the Sugar Bowl?
     
  29. azbuff

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    Don't think they're realistic candidates and Koetter isn't close to my first choice even now, but I'd take Koetter over unproven HCs from SJSU and Fresno. His last five years at ASU he went 36-27, made four bowl trips and finished in the bottom half of the Pac-10 only once. I'd say that is a substantial improvement from where we are right now and significantly better than Hawk did at CU.

    Per Gold's final statement, it can be made against any coach of a good NFL team. Jack Del Rio's success is based solely upon V. Miller, Champ, et. al. Gary Kubiak's success is based solely upon Schaub, Foster, et al.

    Regardless, I don't like advocating for a coach I don't really want, but am simply stating I would take Koetter over either of the two old guys from glorified community colleges in California.
     
  30. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    Exactly. DeRuyter and MacIntyre may end up being great, but they look a lot like Hawk 2.0 (Successful in the bush, unknown in the bigs)
     

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