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Official 2023 Fall Camp Thread

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Pac-12 win totals picks for all 12 teams: Can USC make the CFP? Three in a row for Utah?

Stewart Mandel and Antonio Morales pick against the win total over/unders for all 12 Pac-12 teams.
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Colorado 3.5​

Morales: Under. If Colorado won four games this season, it would be a success. Colorado might be at a talent deficit in 10 of its 12 games this season. Both sides of the line of scrimmage are major question marks, and the Buffaloes’ depth there will be seriously tested during the first five games of the season.

Mandel: Under. Maybe Deion Sanders will surprise us all, but his unprecedented roster purge does not breed confidence that this will be a markedly better team. The Buffs may have no depth. They also have a brutal schedule, starting with TCU, Nebraska, Oregon and USC in the first month.
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For all the good stuff The Athletic puts out, these two are idiots
 
pmoney52 said:
For all the good stuff The Athletic puts out, these two are idiots
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"Morales: Both sides of the line of scrimmage are major question marks, and the Buffaloes’ depth there will be seriously tested during the first five games of the season."

I do not disagree with this. We truly won't know till a couple, three games into the season.


"Mandel: Maybe Deion Sanders will surprise us all, but his unprecedented roster purge does not breed confidence that this will be a markedly better team."

Amazing that there can continue to be such a blatant contradiction being spewed by press all across the nation. CU was historically bad last season yet the "unprecedented roster purge" is the reason to say CU will be bad again this season.
 
Big Jim said:
"Morales: Both sides of the line of scrimmage are major question marks, and the Buffaloes’ depth there will be seriously tested during the first five games of the season."

I do not disagree with this. We truly won't know till a couple, three games into the season.


"Mandel: Maybe Deion Sanders will surprise us all, but his unprecedented roster purge does not breed confidence that this will be a markedly better team."

Amazing that there can continue to be such a blatant contradiction being spewed by press all across the nation. CU was historically bad last season yet the "unprecedented roster purge" is the reason to say CU will be bad again this season.
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To not have purged last year’s roster would be Coaching Malpractice.
 
Big Jim said:
Amazing that there can continue to be such a blatant contradiction being spewed by press all across the nation. CU was historically bad last season yet the "unprecedented roster purge" is the reason to say CU will be bad again this season.
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Bingo. My brother and I were having this conversation (again) last night. Mandel has replayed this trope at least a dozen times right now and its completely turning me off of his stuff.
 
Duff Man said:
I get CU is a hard team to read and I do agree both lines are question marks, but why are media members so afraid to say CU has significantly upgraded at some positions?
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It's not fear, it's laziness. CU was so bad that they aren't going beyond the mental crutch of the maxim that turnover is usually bad and looking into the team talent itself. Just the QB position alone is completely different but they don't go even that deep.
 
Big Jim said:
"Morales: Both sides of the line of scrimmage are major question marks, and the Buffaloes’ depth there will be seriously tested during the first five games of the season."

I do not disagree with this. We truly won't know till a couple, three games into the season.


"Mandel: Maybe Deion Sanders will surprise us all, but his unprecedented roster purge does not breed confidence that this will be a markedly better team."

Amazing that there can continue to be such a blatant contradiction being spewed by press all across the nation. CU was historically bad last season yet the "unprecedented roster purge" is the reason to say CU will be bad again this season.
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Shhh. Let’s not correct anyone’s terrible assessments! I would love to see the win total go down.
 
Duff Man said:
I get CU is a hard team to read and I do agree both lines are question marks, but why are media members so afraid to say CU has significantly upgraded at some positions?
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I'm not a conspiracy guy. I don't think the media "has it out" for CU. I think they're witnessing a transformation unprecedented in CFB history and they don't know what to make of it.

After we bitch-slap TCU around on their own field, things will change.
 
Duff Man said:
I get CU is a hard team to read and I do agree both lines are question marks, but why are media members so afraid to say CU has significantly upgraded at some positions?
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Part of it is that they don't know just how bad the team was last season. From roster to coaching to morale. They had no reason to care enough to know.

Part of it is that they're too lazy to put the time in on who is actually here now in order to have an informed take. Important thing is to simply talk about CU & Coach Prime and to come hard positively or negatively in order to get clicks.
 
Darth Snow said:
theathletic.com

'The most hate a 1-11 team has gotten': Colorado players on Deion Sanders' progress

Colorado players offered updates from preseason camp, but the on-field product will be presented soon enough.
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@Uncle Ken
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Cute how you left the rest of the quote out to prove your point.

“And we’re not like that, trust me, these kids are very fond of one another. You should see the cafeteria. It’s not just a White table, Black table, Hispanic or Asian table, all these kids eat together, and they have a good time.”
 
CUAviator said:
Cute how you left the rest of the quote out to prove your point.

“And we’re not like that, trust me, these kids are very fond of one another. You should see the cafeteria. It’s not just a White table, Black table, Hispanic or Asian table, all these kids eat together, and they have a good time.”
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are segregated team meals still a thing in CFB?!?!?!

I lived in the Orlando area for six months in 1986, having moved from Southwest Virginia. I was more than a little surprised the lunchroom tables were 100%
segregated by race.
 
hokiehead said:
are segregated team meals still a thing in CFB?!?!?!

I lived in the Orlando area for six months in 1986, having moved from Southwest Virginia. I was more than a little surprised the lunchroom tables were 100%
segregated by race.
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Dunno. Maybe the only reference he has is from FSU. I would think itd be more OL, DL, skill, DB, etc.
 
CUAviator said:
Cute how you left the rest of the quote out to prove your point.

“And we’re not like that, trust me, these kids are very fond of one another. You should see the cafeteria. It’s not just a White table, Black table, Hispanic or Asian table, all these kids eat together, and they have a good time.”
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Dude.
 
Duff Man said:
I get CU is a hard team to read and I do agree both lines are question marks, but why are media members so afraid to say CU has significantly upgraded at some positions?
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It is a classic human behavior. Most people are not wired to stick their necks out and go against the crowd, they find it better to be wrong with everyone else rather than being right. It is why actively managed mutual funds often underperform because the fund managers won't be fired for being wrong in a crowd. It is why IT managers buy Microsoft because nobody is fired for buying Microsoft.
 
hokiehead said:
are segregated team meals still a thing in CFB?!?!?!

I lived in the Orlando area for six months in 1986, having moved from Southwest Virginia. I was more than a little surprised the lunchroom tables were 100%
segregated by race.
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I mean...guys usually sit with the guys they're close with off the field. There's almost certainly some tables that skew heavily in one race.
 
Big Jim said:
It is a classic human behavior. Most people are not wired to stick their necks out and go against the crowd, they find it better to be wrong with everyone else rather than being right. It is why actively managed mutual funds often underperform because the fund managers won't be fired for being wrong in a crowd. It is why IT managers buy Microsoft because nobody is fired for buying Microsoft.
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good analogy
 
GawainBuff said:
I’ve never met anyone who was there. Incredible. We all remember where we were when it happened, I’m sure. (A good thought for another thread if it doesn’t already exist.)
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I was there with 5 other people. I had friends that were students at UM and they wouldn't let me sit with them in the student section (i started to.. but I had so many marshmallows thrown at me, they told me to leave). I was a face painter and I wore the grand poohbah hat so I was an annoying visiitor fan to begin with. I managed to find a few CU fans on the CU sideline at about the 30 yard line. I ended up watching the game there. I remember feeling hopeless when Salaam fumbled the ball in the endzone in the 4th quarter and thought the game was lost. Something told me to stay. I stayed and I got a GREAT view of Kordell throwing the ball. I remember leaning over the brick railing and seeing the refs hand signal touchdown and I just reacted. I jumped over the railing and headed toward the pile in the endzone. I got stopped by a University Policeman and they put on one of those plastic twist ties on my hands and then used another one to attach me to the CU bench. I was sitting there for a few minutes and several players tapped me on the shoulder/ head as they left the field. Christian Fauria proceeds to run past me and tell me "Don't worry, we will get you out soon man!" The police take me to the detention facility and I walked past MANY tailgates that people did not know that they lost. I remeber one guy specifically say..... "Hey... why are you so happy?" I yelled- "I guess you didn't stay until then end... GO WATCH THE HIGHLIGHTS!!!!! " I saw him turn to people in disbelief and start talking. I wish I could have stayed there and saw how that unfolded. Meanwhile, off to the detention facility with 9 other CU fans. They "uncuff" all of us and we were all standing in a room while the police looked around and started taking us one-by-one. They avoided me everytime. They took each person and they didn't know what to do with me because... I had face paint on. No one wanted to take my picture, no one wanted to interview me and take my information (I didnt have my wallet with me). Everyone else was processed and given a trespassing ticket and I had to wait until the Chief decided how to handle me. I ended up being truthful and giving them all of my information. They skipped the mugshot part because they wouldnt let me wash my face. About 1 hour later, I was released with just a trespassing ticket. I managed to walk back to my UM friends fraternity house and I was told that I needed to leave because Brian Griese was expected back and I couldn't be there with my facepaint.

That is my story.
 
Buffnik said:
Part of it is that they don't know just how bad the team was last season. From roster to coaching to morale. They had no reason to care enough to know.

Part of it is that they're too lazy to put the time in on who is actually here now in order to have an informed take. Important thing is to simply talk about CU & Coach Prime and to come hard positively or negatively in order to get clicks.
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I think it is a mixture of fear and laziness. No one wants to stick their neck out and entertain the possibility that Prime is doing exactly what needed to be done. College football is still very much a morality play for a lot of reporters, so fear very much comes into play.

OTOH, as Darth and you point out, laziness is a major part of the equation as well. How hard is it to look at Sean Lewis' resume and conclude he is a significant upgrade at OC? The research takes five minutes. Same with Kelly. Or that adding two 5* corners to the secondary just might represent a talent upgrade?
 
pmoney52 said:
theathletic.com

Pac-12 win totals picks for all 12 teams: Can USC make the CFP? Three in a row for Utah?

Stewart Mandel and Antonio Morales pick against the win total over/unders for all 12 Pac-12 teams.
theathletic.com theathletic.com


For all the good stuff The Athletic puts out, these two are idiots
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This was exactly my point in the Depth Chart Thread. There is this narrative that this team has absolutely no depth, and I really don't understand why. It's an extremely veteran laden team with most positions having quite a bit of experience, albeit some at lower levels, and every position goes at least 3 deep with that.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
This was exactly my point in the Depth Chart Thread. There is this narrative that this team has absolutely no depth, and I really don't understand why. It's an extremely veteran laden team with most positions having quite a bit of experience, albeit some at lower levels, and every position goes at least 3 deep with that.
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Yea. I took a look at that and went with the "are we ****ed" test. As in, if the top guy gets hurt in a position group, "are we ****ed?".

Only one position has that concern this year. Yes there are other injuries that would really suck because transcendent talent is rare, but only in one position do we not have a 2 deep of guys that are proven or have a really good chance to contribute. And that's pretty normal at that position in CFB. Although we are a little extra ****ed compared to the norm there.

CU, when we were just bad instead of unwatchable, usually had half the positions in the team fail the "are we ****ed" test. the only year that didn't pan out horribly was in 2016 when we didn't get hurt at key spots outside of QB (and then we actually had a decent backup) until late in the year. Then we did get ****ed.
 
Duff Man said:
I think it is a mixture of fear and laziness. No one wants to stick their neck out and entertain the possibility that Prime is doing exactly what needed to be done. College football is still very much a morality play for a lot of reporters, so fear very much comes into play.

OTOH, as Darth and you point out, laziness is a major part of the equation as well. How hard is it to look at Sean Lewis' resume and conclude he is a significant upgrade at OC? The research takes five minutes. Same with Kelly. Or that adding two 5* corners to the secondary just might represent a talent upgrade?
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Or having a QB who is capable of performing at a high level. My gosh, if the exact same team had returned from last year and, besides recruiting, the only additions were Shedeur & Travis along with the upgrades to the coaching staff, I think the conventional wisdom would be that this had to be good for a 2-4 win improvement. I think they're going out of their way to be negative for various reasons (and that much of the lazy ignorance is willful).
 
Buffnik said:
Or having a QB who is capable of performing at a high level. My gosh, if the exact same team had returned from last year and, besides recruiting, the only additions were Shedeur & Travis along with the upgrades to the coaching staff, I think the conventional wisdom would be that this had to be good for a 2-4 win improvement. I think they're going out of their way to be negative for various reasons (and that much of the lazy ignorance is willful).
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Shedeur is not being given credit for being a top shelf QB by the press.
 
Buffnik said:
Or having a QB who is capable of performing at a high level. My gosh, if the exact same team had returned from last year and, besides recruiting, the only additions were Shedeur & Travis along with the upgrades to the coaching staff, I think the conventional wisdom would be that this had to be good for a 2-4 win improvement. I think they're going out of their way to be negative for various reasons (and that much of the lazy ignorance is willful).
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Maybe they all bet the over and trying to force people into the under 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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