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Recap of CU-Cal

Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by Gold, Mar 3, 2013.

  1. Gold

    Gold Well-Known Member

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    -Night and day difference between the Stanford and Cal games. The Buff fans showed up, but didn't have as much of an impact on the noise level of the game as we did in Palo Alto. Credit the PA announcer who screams out the Cal players name after scoring a bucket. Cal fans are peculiar, they're caught in the middle of admiring and emulating Stanford's elitist "who cares it's only sports" attitude, but are intrigued by showing the passion of CU fans. No one gave us any ****, but they're also smug and not likable either. Imagine the grumpy old guy who wants to cut you off at the grocery check out. That's Cal. It's a passive aggressiveness.

    -Haas is a cool place to watch a game when the PA guy isn't screaming into the mic. It's like watching a steel cage match where you're looking down on the court. The lighting is way too much. It's so bright, I can see opposing teams coming in and being distracted by it. It's a confusing place to settle in at.


    -Scrappy, tenacious, high percentage shots from the inside. This was CU vs. Stanford. We're a noticeably different team from just 3 days ago, and one of the differences was Josh Scott. Next year he's going to be cooking soup, but yesterday he played like a guy returning from a concussion. It's not just the weight he needs to add, it's an attitude that's missing. Dunk on someones head! Dude, foul someone hard in the paint! Cal was sofa recliner comfortable getting in our kitchen and taking lightly contested, high percentage shots all game. Scott is has to get tougher on defense, and his touch down low wasn't strong enough against Cal's aggressive front. Josh, save your Twitter war energy for taking on Oregon.


    -Dinwiddie didn't want any part of Cal's four man stacked box in the first half and stayed on the perimeter most of the night until the end. His shot was off on his jumpers despite some good looks. The missed open looks really hurt our ability to keep the defense honest. Part of the issue with Dinwiddie and other players was they only wanted the layup. They didn't pull up for enough 5-6 footers in the lane, which they could have had most of the day. Instead, it was the mauling at the basket that never let up.


    -Dre was out on assignment against Crabbe, hence the low rebounding numbers. His defense was still great. He had a harder time slashing to the lane with Scott down low and the offense didn't look as crisp. When he did drive, he was the most efficient out of the team and played with the most poise under the basket.


    -Booker gets most of the flack for games like this, but he wasn't the root of the problem. He had a lot of open looks he bricked, but unless we have a better shooter on the court (who would that be? Stalzer?) you can't fault him for taking open shots. Had he taken more floaters in the lane that might have helped. But overall it was another dismal performance where he tried to 3pt shoot his was out of the problem.


    -Xavier did a lot of Xavier Johnson-like things out there. He hustled. Played good defense. Attacked. Hit some 3's. He's the most demonstrative CU player by a lot. But down low where he's supposed to do his damage he was constantly mugged and harassed Not much slashing because the offense as a whole couldn't figure out how to penetrate the paint before the ball handler was assaulted.


    -The bench was an unsolved mystery. Adams didn't play much but spun around the few minutes he was in. Talton was not seen after his slip-up with the shot clock winding down on a 1st half possession. SHT did his best SHT impression. Sab's 3 at the buzzer was the most memorable shot of the game for CU (second being Dre's And 1 mid second half) but overall the bench was benched.


    We were a step slow, and tired at the end. It felt like Cal's senior day. And we were still hanging in there late in the 2nd half. We were atrocious shooting the ball, couldn't penetrate and finish with poise, and gave up way too many baskets underneath the hoop. This was an ugly performance against a team we dominated a month ago. It happens.

     
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  2. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    Gold,
    Thanks for the write-up.

    You hit on something with your Cal analysis. Cal is the little brother of Stanford. So maybe there is a desire to pass on that patronizing smarter and more affluent than thou tone when CU fans come to Berkeley. The ESPNU broadcast mics caught a few rounds of "CU Sucks" jeers and a chorus of "shave your mustache" when Dinwoodie was at the line. The big heads of Mike Montgomery and Justin Cobbs were present. They do want to be perceived as Nobel prize winning smart, but also want to come off as a party school. The mix of nerd, but cool hippie with big school athletic spirit comes off as neither smart nor cool. Cal fans are awkward, like half Bluto from Animal House and half Stephen Hawking.

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    There is a vaguely similar schizophrenia with Colorado State being wedged between Wyoming and Boulder. The Wyo boards beat up on CSU for being a bunch of pot smoking burkenstock wearing hippies. CSU beats up on Wyoming for being a bunch of goat ****ers. CSU has a fan base with an identity crisis that passes through the ag school crap they get from CU on to Wyoming. And then they pass through the hippie crap they get from Wyoming on to the Buffs. CSU is like a gal bladder or a spleen that is halfway between a brain and an asshole, and really are a superflous organ in the middle that serves little or no purpose.

    Such an identity crisis hits Cal Berkeley. It's part Oakland urban decay, but part San Francisco awesome. It's part Stanford smart and part UC Santa Barbara by the beach safety school. Like the Hayword fault that runs through their football stadium, the school itself tries too hard to go two conflicting directions at the same time, making them as awkward as a sex change patient caught somewhere between their first and last hormone treatment.

    That said, the CU fan experience in Berkeley sucks in no small part because CU's men's teams regularly put on uninspired displays of athletic ineptitude when playing West of Shattuck and North of Telegraph. Something about that town sucks the passion and swagger out of CU in recent years. (And the lesbian bartender at the Bear's Lair similarly shuts down our libidinous marauding fans that prowl the drinking establishments for a good time.)

    Both fan bases wait and keep waiting for their FB and BB teams to get into the top 10, thereby unleashing the suppressed fanatic that comes out when their teams earn meaningful hardware in sports that actually matter.
     
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  3. sweaty teets

    sweaty teets Club Member Club Member

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    rep for the bold.
     
  4. newkid

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    Part UCSB... I wish. That place is awesome. Considering Santa Barbara is ranked higher than every non-CA PAC school, I'd say that's a great safety school!
     
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    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    Fair enough, I was using US News which I'm sure you looked up as well. But this does make everyone look better, CU is 33, UCSB is 34th. But I like ARWU, they're not inherently anti public schools. E.g Berkeley is 4th in the world. Furd @ 2nd and UCLA @12th.
     
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  7. PhillyBuff

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    Which is funnier..... The rankings themselves? Or people who use the rankings for some sort of argument?

    Rankings are a self fulfilling prophecy.

    I have yet to find someone that could explain to me how Penn teaches a better Economics class than Colorado. It is true that students with better SAT scores on average go to Penn. It is completely subjective that Economics is better at Penn.

    So I call bull**** on rankings.
     
  8. fiatlux

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    I admire your honesty

    as CU and UCSB have in essence the same ranking, I respect that you have the self awareness to to refer to yourself as a safety school. Well done.

     
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  9. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    Hell yeah - safety school for smart kids looking for a kick ass lifestyle.

    CU = Ski U.
    UCSB = Surf U.
    Cal = not Stanford
     
  10. TDbuff

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    We just don't have any room to bust Cal's balls for not being Stanford, cause we aren't even Cal. Let's just beat Cal in something regularly, and we'll have something to talk about, instead of reaching for straws like CSU does with us.
     
  11. CVilleBuff

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    Berkeley has been an unlucky place for the Buffs to find success, but we have had a fair amount of success against Cal in hoops, lead 4-2 from 2011 onwards.

    Cal has a lot to be proud of, and I thoroughly enjoyed my time in Berkeley in 2010. Truth be told, however, they don't exactly have a ton to be proud of in football or men's basketball. Major underachieving for what they have to offer and the fertile recruiting grounds around them.
     
  12. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    Look, I love our Cal guests and all, but let's face it...Cal is a fine academic school, but a distant second to Stanford. And similarly, Berkeley is a fine self-righteous pseudo hippie town, but it's no Boulder.

    Poor Cal. Always a bridesmaid.
     
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  13. newkid

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    The weird thing is the "little brother of" comment shows lack of knowledge of Pac rivalries (which is understandable). That term rarely (if ever) is thrown around in the Big Game world. Furd/Cal don't have a typical rivalry. That's not something that's said on the farm, or something you heard when Cal was regularly kicking furd ass before JT's downfall. It's not a thing. They call us hippies and we call them douchebags who were babysat through college. I say this as someone who "grew up" on the farm, my grandparents met there and were married down the road and have been involved with the university ever since.

    UCLA and Cal OTOH throw that term around a lot. Little sister/brother/southern branch/annex/baby bears etc. Ironically, I physically grew up next to UCLA as my own parents met as students there and were also married down the road.
     
  14. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    This is exactly the post I would expect from LSJU's little brother, but with better punctuation.
     
  15. TDbuff

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    Look, I love Boulder, but look at what you just wrote.
     
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  16. liverflukes

    liverflukes Resident Bear Club Member

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    Sigh...I was refraining from posting on this thread but it just crossed the Rockies...

    http://bearinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71586

    Also, too bad you didn't land Tyrone Wallace. He wanted to attend the better school:

    [video=youtube;vghJq-VXHmI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vghJq-VXHmI&feature=youtu.be[/video]
     
  17. liverflukes

    liverflukes Resident Bear Club Member

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    BTW...F*ck you Gold - for not enjoying Haas and then whining about it.
     
  18. CVilleBuff

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    I wish Tyrone all the best with the coaching change during his time at Cal. Hope they find a good fit for him, sucks for any player to have to go through that, but it's not like we all didn't see it coming.
     
  19. liverflukes

    liverflukes Resident Bear Club Member

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    You don't pay Boyle enough and he will leave. You know this and it keeps you up at night.

    Anyway,good luck against Oregon-you need it. Let me know if you need tips on how to beat them repeatedly.
     
  20. newkid

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    Oh yes, please beat Oregon.
    -newest #1 CU fan
     
  21. CVilleBuff

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    Funny you should mention Oregon. I was just thinking about what a small time program Cal is -- you guys ran on the court for beating Oregon (this was right about the time Cal fans actually started showing up, being the genuine whine and cheese bandwagoners that you are).

    CU already won in Eugene this year and leads the Duck series 3-1. Nice try, though.

    Anyway, good luck against Stanford, maybe you can rush the court if you win. I know it's bound to make Monty emotional whenever he plays them, recognizing he once coached a program actually capable of making a Final Four.
     
  22. Uncle Ken

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    You seem to have joined the bulk of the Cal crowd in not understanding what is happening this thread.

    But tone deaf is what you do best on Allbuffs. At least they have an excuse.
     
  23. Gold

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    This is exactly my point about Cal fans. I said Haas is a cool place to watch a game and then this dickweed dyslexia kicks in and interprets the opposite of what I wrote. And tops it off with pseudo tough guy bravado. Not your finest moment.
     
  24. CVilleBuff

    CVilleBuff Club Member Club Member

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    You do have to admit, it's cute how they all crawl out of the woodwork at times like this. Flattering a home win over CU to win their 2nd game out of 6 against CU in the last three seasons has them so excited.
     
  25. newkid

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    You realize it's like two people who post here regularly?

    Anyway, this thread has me excited for football season already. Next season should be interesting for both schools.
     
  26. TDbuff

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    What IS happening in this thread?
     
  27. Gold

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    Bouncing them out of the NIT two years ago, and then the P12 tourney last year, then losing their play-in game to who-the-hell-remembers has taken its toll. A regular season win for them is the equivelant to a tournament win at this point.
     
  28. CVilleBuff

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    One.

    None of you came to talk basketball a month ago for our first game. Flukes dropped by and whined that your team couldn't beat women's teams and that you were a "joke". Thus, this qualifies.

    Re: football. Not sure Dykes is the right fit for you guys. I'm not implying it's going to be a disaster or anything, but it's hard for me to see how Dykes is going to do any better than the standard Tedford set. We've got a long way to go, but MacIntyre looks to be fantastic fit for us. I'm sure some of you have convinced yourselves otherwise, but thanks in advance for letting us take him out of your backyard. Hope it works out well for both schools.
     
  29. CVilleBuff

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    It's going to be interesting to see if the Pac-12 tournament suddenly "matters" if the day ever comes when Cal wins it (currently 0 championships in 15 attempts). I've been told multiple times it's not particularly important, which makes a ton of sense, clearly an automatic bid is not important.
     
  30. liverflukes

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    I avoided this thread out of respect for your elders here but it blew up recently and wound up on our board. Face it, you weren't complimentary and your post left nothing open for interpretation. At least man-up about that fact. "Haas is a cool place...now let me expound upon why it sucked and why Cal fans suck."

    You whined about the PA system and lighting at Haas and the passive aggressiveness of Cal fans. You even compared us to the grumpy old man who cuts in line at the supermarket. I haven't been passive aggressive all year. Inebriated and a completely senseless asshat while posting? Guilty. Passive Aggressive? Never. Guess you weren't ready for 10,000 screaming hippies ready for you. Now you know. Be grateful I didn't correct all the grammatical mistakes in your initial post and and then re-post it with a C- grade. While I'm at it, kick down some money to AllBuffs and get yourself an Avatar. How's that for passive aggressive Mr. back tracking tough guy?
     

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