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So... when the O-Line is Healthy

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by SanDiegoBuff, Oct 12, 2008.

  1. SanDiegoBuff

    SanDiegoBuff Club Member Club Member

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    What excuses are people going to come up with to explain/excuse CHawk's play?

    I'd put up a poll, but I'm lazy.
     
  2. 4DemBuffs

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    i will probably blame you but, i will cross that bridge when we get to it.
     
  3. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    I'm not the biggest fan of Cody right now, but the offensive line injuries isn't just a convenient "excuse," it's a fact. It is also not an excuse that our WRs are slow and prone to drops. There are not a whole lot of positives right now on offense. QB is definitely at or near the top of the list for me as far as concerns, but I'm not convinced everything is going to be solved by simply changing QBs.
     
  4. SanDiegoBuff

    SanDiegoBuff Club Member Club Member

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    Everyone points to injuries.... that's an excuse. How much of it has to do with the face that Cody isn't a threat and defenses can use 8 and 9 men in the box on every play. That alone shuts down the run, allows defenses to blitz like crazy.

    Injuries play a part, but injuries can be overcome with the right offense.
     
  5. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Ballenger wasn't effective either. In fact, he was highly UNimpressive yesterday. He looked like the same QB he was in practice. One read, run, go down.

    Oline is the engine that makes this offense run. look at the St. Louis rams. They had a damn good QB and an all pro RB. Oline went to ****, and how many games have they won since? 1?
     
  6. buffsyko

    buffsyko Club Member Club Member

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    Does it really matter? We have a head coach who's attitude on losing is HO-HUM,it's part of the deal BS is spreading through the team.

    We are starting to get used to losing and the HO-HUM attitude about it makes me sick.

    I watch the other games,I see a fire,passion,anger from players.Not our team,we play timid.

    I remember when players got pissed when they lost and come out fired up next game.

    Not us,it's HO-HUM.
     
  7. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    I don't know what to tell you, other than the fact that we have lost five offensive linemen since Spring ball. How many other teams out there can say that?

    That said, there are serious issues with the offense all the way around right now. QB, WRs, OL, and even basic gameplanning are all poor right now. I wish I could believe many of the problems would go away with a change at QB, but I don't think that is true unfortunately.
     
  8. buffsyko

    buffsyko Club Member Club Member

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    Iagree with every thing you said,but let's not leave out the defense.Yes,they have played well at times and the offense has left them out on the field too long but....

    We are a very poor tackling team,our cb's give far too much cushion(how come coaches keep playing this way when it's obvious it doesn't work?)no pressure and any play that gets to the edge or outside is a td waiting to haappen,we are slower than I thought.

    People pointed to 2009, lots of questions on defense and didn't think I would be saying the offense too.
     
  9. SanDiegoBuff

    SanDiegoBuff Club Member Club Member

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    I never said Ballenger was the answer. And arguing that Ballenger didn't look good in the situation they put him in, is a VERY poor argument. But he can't be any worse.

    Everyone is so focused on injuries... I don't think the O-Line is THAT bad because of injuries, sure they play a part, but when your O-Lin faces 8 and 9 men in the box on every play and a defense that can blitz without fear (and spends 2/3ds of the game on the bench resting), it makes your O-Line look even worse.

    The fact is, no one can say how much of our bad o-line play is due to injuries and how much is due to a limited QB and gameplan.

    Injuries play a part, but players and gameplan play a bigger part.
     
  10. Unleash Hell

    Unleash Hell Well-Known Member

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    I will blame you for living in San Diego. In fact if we lose to KSU that is the reason why
     
  11. SanDiegoBuff

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    All I'm sayin is a QB that can make all the throws and open the playbook can take a LOT of heat off of a banged up offensive line.
     
  12. SanDiegoBuff

    SanDiegoBuff Club Member Club Member

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    MMMMM blaming a defense that spends two thirds of the game on the field and only seems to wear down in the 4th quarter is easy to do and not right at all. The defense holds up their end of the bargain until they get worn down because our offense does NOTHING.
     
  13. Duff Man

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    Poor tackling for sure, but at least we're in the right position most plays, just not executing well enough. I actually think the defensive coaching hasn't been too bad this year. For the most part, guys have been in position to make plays and they're not making the tackles.

    As far as the DL, I think they have been solid this year. They did a good job collapsing the pocket yesterday and generally kept Reesin contained. The LBs are very disappointing. The only playmakers there are Mohler and Jones, with Jones playing DE a good portion of the time. The secondary is all right, but the tackling there absolutely needs to improve.

    For 2009, we're going to be young, but we should be faster. Cunningham is getting valuable experience at DT, as is Herrod. But obviously we'll need some other guys to step up for the DL to be decent next year. The LBs should be better next year, no excuses. Mohler will be back and the redshirt freshmen should be able to provide some much needed speed at that position. The Secondary should be about the same, better (and more experienced) at CB, but a dropoff at safety.

    Either way, the defense will only be as good as the offense and special teams allow them to be. We put our defense in far too many short-field situations and we keep them on the field far too long.
     
  14. buffsyko

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    Missing tackles in the first half can not be blamed on fatigue.
     
  15. wsp4820

    wsp4820 Sally Club Member Junta Member

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    Not necessarily. You don't think opposing Ds are going to send just as many men in the box to put pressure on the run game and get in the face of a RSFrosh QB with 15 snaps under his belt? Having the arm to make the throws isn't enough. First, If he doesn't know the offense, you don't open up the playbook. The plays you do use with a young QB aren't the defense stretching plays that require him to make the right reads at the snap. Second, just because he has the arm to get the ball there doesn't mean he's going to find the open receiver and make the right throws. Especially if the D is blitzing the **** out of him to get him rattled.

    I don't disagree that Cody isn't playing well. I do disagree with all of you that think, "oh, put in Ballenger it can't get any worse." Maybe it gets better, maybe it's the same, maybe it's worse. But, I just want the coaches to be damn sure that Ballenger is the guy going forward. Because once they make that switch, Ballenger needs to be the guy until or unless he gets hurt. I still think that with a passable Oline, Cody will give us the best chance to pick up 3 more wins and get a bowl game.
     
  16. buffsyko

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    I agree but i'd like to see our cb's get more aggressive and not sit back 10-15 yds all the time.Also,when you rush 3 and drop 8,a wr shouldn't be wide open across the middle.

    But,the offense,special teams have to take most of the credit for our struggles this year for sure.
     
  17. MSBuff

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    It seems to me the lack of senior leadership in the offense and particularly in the O-Line is a major factor in the lack of success for the Buffs. I feel when we can get a better mix of all classes throughout the entire team all will be much better.

    The problem is I hate to wait for it to come to be.
     
  18. Timbuff10

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    I looked it up... There is no rule stating that when a QB switch is made, that you can't reverse that decision.

    I don't understand why we can't try something and if it doesn't work, make a switch? You have to be really hardheaded to keep doing the same thing and expect different results. Put Ballenger in, if he can't produce, let Nelson have a shot at it. If he can't do anything then hope it's Cody's day.
     
  19. wsp4820

    wsp4820 Sally Club Member Junta Member

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    OK, maybe stay with Ballenger isn't what I meant. But, what I meant was when the coaches make a move, they need to be sure Cody isn't the guy anymore. Once you start going back and forth or making changes anytime a guy struggles, I think you are at a serious risk of dividing and losing the team. I think that once you bench Cody you have to be sure that you don't think he can get you to a bowl game in the B12 and you think it's time to move on. You have to be ready to say, Cody's done and we're looking to see who the next guy is.
     
  20. buffs04

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    What makes anyone rationally think CU will be better in 2009? What has the offense shown you that it will EVER be good with this scheme and this quarterbacking?

    The only bright spot on this team is that it is literally impossible for the QB play to be any worse than it is right now. Seriously. 22 passes for 90 yards against not an elite defense? Lol?? That it is an uncommon level of incompetence. ... Might as well throw Boulder High's QB out there on the field, he would probably do a better job. This team has the worst passing game I have ever seen on any level in football and that starts and ends with the QB. CH wouldn't be effective with the Minnesota Vikings offensive line. This is plainly apparent by watching the games and there are no excuses for being this bad. The OL is a problem but the QB is a bigger problem.
     
  21. Darth Snow

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    Worst passing game ever? wtf were you in 2006?
     
  22. buffs04

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    Watching the Buffs lose? Arguing the difference in effectiveness between Bjax in 06 and Cody Hawkins in 08 is so pointless I can't even think of an appropriate analogy to illustrate the futility of both offenses.

    Great argument though. He's better than a converted WR with no QB skills playing QB... marginally, so, by default, he's an allstar.

    Ridiculous.
     
  23. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    i wasn't arguing with you. I was simply pointing out that you are over the top and are simply venting your spleen with little thought.
     
  24. SanDiegoBuff

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    I think BJax was actually a better QB, but he actually had less offensive talent around him.

    Right now, you've got to rate their arms as a wash, but at least BJax could avoid the rush.

    :lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
  25. Unleash Hell

    Unleash Hell Well-Known Member

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    Ballenger sure lit it up yesterday ehh?
     
  26. Sexton Hardcastle

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    I hope you're being sarcastic. I don't think I can take anything you say seriously after a post like that.
     
  27. SanDiegoBuff

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    I was hoping the laughing would give away the sarcasm... but I'll verify it here. :thumbsup:
     
  28. Sexton Hardcastle

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    I don't think you were being sarcastic. I think you really believe what you posted.
     
  29. SanDiegoBuff

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    LOL... OK :rolleyes:
     
  30. Sexton Hardcastle

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    It's not the first time really. I remember that crap you posted on the Womens basketball thread. Class.
     

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