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Sh!t just got real with CU recruiting

Buffnik

Buffnik

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Tucker has made some things clear:

- recruiting is something coaches will do every day
- there will be no self-imposed limitations
- we will go after the best talent and it's not rocket science to figure out who they are
- we will focus on CO, TX and CA plus LA while opening up GA and FL for some talent
- he wants championships and isn't going to be interested in a recruit who can't beat USC
- he is confident he can sell Colorado to any top prospect, get him to visit and close

It's just like when McCartney went and got Sal when no one thought it was possible. CU is going to get back to going after it again. Tucker is going to build to be able to match talent with anyone and win championships in Boulder.

Get on board and buckle your seat belts, folks.

And forget everything you thought you knew about what CU can and cannot achieve.

It's on!
 
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Most refreshing part. Previous coaches would hedge the **** out of any recruiting talk, which means they never got the point.

I get not wanting to attach yourself to recruiting rankings, but I think that leads to settling, and over confidence in your player development. I want a coach that might be annoyed he didn’t get the players he wanted, at least that’s not being delusional about the guys you did get.
 
TDbuff said:
Most refreshing part. Previous coaches would hedge the **** out of any recruiting talk, which means they never got the point.

I get not wanting to attach yourself to recruiting rankings, but I think that leads to settling, and over confidence in your player development. I want a coach that might be annoyed he didn’t get the players he wanted, at least that’s not being delusional about the guys you did get.
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Exactly right.
 
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here are some things i truly believe about CU football and recruiting.

-- we can recruit anywhere and anyone. this has actually hurt us sometimes over the years because we've relied on the pure awesomeness of CU and boulder to get recruits. but, you have to put the time in and do the work. and, you have to make sure you have the support, the facilities, the coaches, and the infrastructure that your best opponents have. if you do the work and you have the other stuff in place, then all of the ****ing awesome intangibles break ties. ...not with every recruit, but with enough to make a difference. and, once you win enough recruiting battles for elite players, then you start to win more games. and, then more games, and then the winning attracts more elite athletes. and, then, your intangibles help you even more.

-- we have to be relentless in recruiting. this isn't part-time. this is THE thing. we don't have dozens of bluechips in our backyard. we have to do the work on a national basis. we don't have to recruit regionally because we can sell intangibles that are ****ing awesome to anyone from any region. but, we can't stop working and improving-- facilities, support, effort, non-stop.

-- we have to own the state. there aren't enough of the right guys in-state for us to make this a sole focal point, but we need to get every single recruit we want from in-state. that means trust and network building-- help the high school coaching community. be present. be visible. be helpful. build the relationships.

-- don't fear the loss of coaches. learn from uga-- sure, they are really sorry to see Coach Tucker (and perhaps a few more) leave, but they know good coaches move up and move on. that used to be us as well. Coach Mac populated the p5 with head coaches and guys moving up. change isn't bad, as long as the commitment to continue to get better is in place. i used to look at Mac's staff and think that nearly every one of them could ultimately be good head coaches. that's the bar you want to jump over. that's what saban and urban meyer do. go get the best.

-- don't be afraid of adapting your schemes to fit your players and your vision of where you want to go. Mac had assistant coaches out learning the wishbone offense in the off-season because he saw that as a step to winning and then a step to where he wanted to go. the offense that he started with at CU looked nothing like the offense he finished with. and, offenses are evolving rapidly now-- usc just brought in kliff-- adapt, change, or fail.

anyhow, TL;DR

Go Buffs.
 
Buffnik said:
- he wants championships and isn't going to be interested in a recruit who can't beat USC
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I want to believe all this. Tucker does seem like he gets it. Without naming names, I'm sure that there are a number of current CU commits who saw that and got very nervous that they haven't signed their NLOI yet. Actions speak louder than words; it will say a lot about Tucker depending on whether or not there are MM offers which he does not honor.
 
Denver_sc said:
I want to believe all this. Tucker does seem like he gets it. Without naming names, I'm sure that there are a number of current CU commits who saw that and got very nervous that they haven't signed their NLOI yet. Actions speak louder than words; it will say a lot about Tucker depending on whether or not there are MM offers which he does not honor.
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Yep, this is where the rubber meets the road. I highly doubt everyone on our current list is viewed as a player that will help us beat USC. I liked everything CMT said, and he comes across as very sincere. And I hate it that I am such a skeptic, but there are only so many OL & DL difference makers in high school. I think, even with what seem to be lower thinking staffs, CU has good talent in many areas, but both lines is where i see the most dramatic difference between CU and say ND, USC, Bama, Georgia etc. Well that and depth (we clearly don't have a Viska behind Viska).

I really hope in a year (a couple weeks) or two I am completely off base, but I just don't see CU consistently getting who we want over USC, UW, ND, UGA and programs of that ilk. Add to that UT seemingly making a move back from the dead and Texas just got that much tougher. If CMT sacks the Austrian I would view that as a positive sign (or maybe I am wrong there as well). Bottom line is he is in a good starting place to put together an 8-10 win team in 2019. Add some 4* and 5* studs to what is already here and hopefully i can scrub off some of my negativity.
 
brettden said:
Yep, this is where the rubber meets the road. I highly doubt everyone on our current list is viewed as a player that will help us beat USC. I liked everything CMT said, and he comes across as very sincere. And I hate it that I am such a skeptic, but there are only so many OL & DL difference makers in high school. I think, even with what seem to be lower thinking staffs, CU has good talent in many areas, but both lines is where i see the most dramatic difference between CU and say ND, USC, Bama, Georgia etc. Well that and depth (we clearly don't have a Viska behind Viska).

I really hope in a year (a couple weeks) or two I am completely off base, but I just don't see CU consistently getting who we want over USC, UW, ND, UGA and programs of that ilk. Add to that UT seemingly making a move back from the dead and Texas just got that much tougher. If CMT sacks the Austrian I would view that as a positive sign (or maybe I am wrong there as well). Bottom line is he is in a good starting place to put together an 8-10 win team in 2019. Add some 4* and 5* studs to what is already here and hopefully i can scrub off some of my negativity.
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8-10 wins in 2019 would be an immense achievement. It is not a favorable schedule. Much tougher than 2018.
 
Are academic admission requirements considered a self-imposed limitation? So I'm all in favor of throwing those out the window and start recruiting "SEC style".
 
brettden said:
Yep, this is where the rubber meets the road. I highly doubt everyone on our current list is viewed as a player that will help us beat USC. I liked everything CMT said, and he comes across as very sincere. And I hate it that I am such a skeptic, but there are only so many OL & DL difference makers in high school. I think, even with what seem to be lower thinking staffs, CU has good talent in many areas, but both lines is where i see the most dramatic difference between CU and say ND, USC, Bama, Georgia etc. Well that and depth (we clearly don't have a Viska behind Viska).

I really hope in a year (a couple weeks) or two I am completely off base, but I just don't see CU consistently getting who we want over USC, UW, ND, UGA and programs of that ilk. Add to that UT seemingly making a move back from the dead and Texas just got that much tougher. If CMT sacks the Austrian I would view that as a positive sign (or maybe I am wrong there as well). Bottom line is he is in a good starting place to put together an 8-10 win team in 2019. Add some 4* and 5* studs to what is already here and hopefully i can scrub off some of my negativity.
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8 - 10 wins! WTF are you smoking? Same team as last year less about half of our defensive starters and a much harder schedule.
 
ALL of the coaches on staff will be very good recruiters. That’s the top job requirement. Everything else is secondary.

“Good players make you a good coach”.
 
brettden said:
I really hope in a year (a couple weeks) or two I am completely off base, but I just don't see CU consistently getting who we want over USC, UW, ND, UGA and programs of that ilk.
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As I listed in this post, we had top 10 recruiting classes under both McCartney and Neuheisel. The notion that it can't be done here is obviously false since it's been done here already.
 
Bliff Cranch said:
8-10 wins in 2019 would be an immense achievement. It is not a favorable schedule. Much tougher than 2018.
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that's the beaten-down pragmatist talking, traumatized by all that has transpired.

we're gonna win. sure, the schedule is tough, but we're going to be tougher. time to get out our big time expectations and make sure they still fit after all these years.
 
Tatanka™ said:
As I listed in this post, we had top 10 recruiting classes under both McCartney and Neuheisel. The notion that it can't be done here is obviously false since it's been done here already.
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To add to this, nationally relevant recruiting continued into the Gary Barnett years. Rivals database goes back to 2002.

Here are our national recruiting ranks from 2002-2019:

2002 (GB) - #10
2003 (GB) - #19
2004 (GB) - #49 (scandal year class)
2005 (GB) - #43
2006 (GB/DH) - #48
2007 (DH) - #32
2008 (DH) - #15
2009 (DH) - #48
2010 (DH) - #66
2011 (DH/JE) - #74
2012 (JE) - #36
2013 (JE/MM) - #67
2014 (MM) - #63
2015 (MM) - #70
2016 (MM) - #65
2017 (MM) - #32
2018 (MM) - #51
2019 (MM) - #48 (final TBD under MT)

If you notice the trend, a coach usually gets a bump in his first 2 full classes after the transition class. Then you better damn well be winning because that new car smell is gone. If you don't get that early bump, you're not good at recruiting (MacIntyre). If you only get a 1-year bump, you've had 2 such bad seasons that recruits tuned you out early (Embree).

CU is a program that recruits in the 30s when a concerted effort is made or we've had a good season. CU is a program that recruits Top 20 or even Top 10 if recruiting is emphasized and the program is winning.
 
cu62nu36 said:
Are academic admission requirements considered a self-imposed limitation? So I'm all in favor of throwing those out the window and start recruiting "SEC style".
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As Duff said, it's overblown a bit. The standards are higher. We've got some of the tougher core requirement minimums in the Pac-12, which puts us toward the top of the nation. However, players from programs that put out a lot of D1 athletes generally have academic programs and guidance that make it so their players can meet anyone's minimums. (And the best prospects are seeming to concentrate at the schools like this more than ever). Put it another way: no tougher than Notre Dame or Michigan.
 
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