OK, just playing Devil's Advocate here: Did Sumler, then, not fulfill his part of the contract?
96's point stands. even if there is good reasoning behind his decision, its still a bad decision.
OK, just playing Devil's Advocate here: Did Sumler, then, not fulfill his part of the contract?
I believe he's been in the program 4 seasons total - played 3, 1 RS year. He graduates in 4 at the end of this semester.
I may be wrong, but I don't believe Sumler used a redshirt; I think he played as a true frosh.
We're not seeing everything here. I wish I could be the proverbial fly-on-the-wall.
Yeah, I know they are renewed each year. But, in essence, they pay for 5 years of school and require the player to play 4 seasons. You are really talking about semantics here. Look at Jake Behrens for instance. He got his Masters degree paid for.Scholarships are for one year only. They aren't 5 to play 4 or anything of the sort.
Yeah, I know they are renewed each year. But, in essence, they pay for 5 years of school and require the player to play 4 seasons. You are really talking about semantics here. Look at Jake Behrens for instance. He got his Masters degree paid for.
agreed. petty is a good word for it.
It's a football scholarship...he is no longer playing football...why should he be on scholarship?
If this is how they look at it fine. But don't ever try to sell me on the student-athlete fable again. You want support? You want people to pay premium ticket prices? Then get out there and win... You can't have it both ways.Do graduating seniors still participate in football activities in the spring? If they do, then by quitting the team Sumler has decided not to do these activities and is not holding up his end of the deal. This is the only situation in which I could see this whole situation being ok. If graduating seniors don't participate in spring activities (conditioning, practice, mentoring, etc.) in any way then I agree with the majority that this is ridiculous and vindictive BUT if there is some obligation that Sumler set aside when he left the team, then he should not continue to receive an award for service NOT rendered.
Do graduating seniors still participate in football activities in the spring? If they do, then by quitting the team Sumler has decided not to do these activities and is not holding up his end of the deal. This is the only situation in which I could see this whole situation being ok. If graduating seniors don't participate in spring activities (conditioning, practice, mentoring, etc.) in any way then I agree with the majority that this is ridiculous and vindictive BUT if there is some obligation that Sumler set aside when he left the team, then he should not continue to receive an award for service NOT rendered.
Team told Scott not welcomed back
I heard Hawk left it to the team and they said no, not to mention DS still apearantly has had no contact with Hagan
Has anyone considered - with regard to Sumler - that it is to the player's benefit to be released from scholarship if he is trying to transfer and make it to the new team on time for Spring Practice? Just askin...
I had hoped that somehow or another Scott would reenter the fold but that door now appears to be shut. Time to move on then. As for Sumler I have to agree that his scholarship is no longer valid, like many scholarships there are certain qualifications to one must adhere to in order to keep receiving that scholarship. In Sumler's case he was obligated to play football for the school in order to maintain his scholarship and since he still has eligibilty remaining to play football and forfeited the football obligation then Hawkins was in his right to cancel the scholarship. I think it sucks, but what concerns me the most if the lack of mentorship on that team. Looking at these situations from the outside it almost seems that these kids are making all these decisions without anyone offering any insight or valuble knowledge. As in the Scott situation it seems unlkely that no one knew he felt like leaving the team until it was too late. Where was someone that he could have trned to and expressed his discomfort? Maybe I am way off base but this seems to be turning into some sort of plauge.
A tome.Is this a sonnet?
It's a football scholarship...he is no longer playing football...why should he be on scholarship?
Riar Geer is no longer playing football. Jake Behrens is no longer playing football. Shaun Mohler is no longer playing football. Do they have scholarships this semester?
Don't give me the argument about his plans to transfer after the season. This year's scholarship isn't, or at least shouldn't be, contingent on what the player is going to do next year.... :huh:
did the players you mention fulfill their football obligations in return for their scholarship (regardless of results on the field)? I say yes. Sumler quit the team, a team he is on only by scholarship, therefore that scholarship goes away when he leaves the team and doesn't fulfill his obligation. If you take a job handing out girlie cards on the strip in Vegas and you show up on the strip but refuse to hand out any cards, will you get paid?
So the fact that Sumler DID NOT play football during his freshman year is the entire difference here?
Weak.
Sumler did just as much as Geer, Mohler, Behrens, etc. over the past four years.
Riar Geer is no longer playing football. Jake Behrens is no longer playing football. Shaun Mohler is no longer playing football. Do they have scholarships this semester?
Don't give me the argument about his plans to transfer after the season. This year's scholarship isn't, or at least shouldn't be, contingent on what the player is going to do next year.... :huh:
Sorry, Junc, the Geer/Mohler/Behrens situations are different. They've exhausted their eligibility to play. As far as I know they can't participate in the spring even if they wanted to. Sumler hasn't - he still has a year of eiigibility, thanks to the scholarship from CU, but he's chosen not to participate.
I realize that any number of players attain their degrees and still have eligibility remaining. Most take a few more classes and return for their last season. Not uncommon. What's uncommon is a young man, with eligibility remaining and degree in sight, deciding to leave and take his eligibility somewhere else.
I don't have anything against Sumler or his decision, but by the same token, I don't have any problem with the schollie being pulled. I view this as I would any other player deciding to transfer - untie the knot and let them go.
I've said this before.....I think there's more to this than any of us know.
Two players begin classes at CU on the exact same day.
One player redshirts. The other does not.
True senior, after playing four years of football, has exhausted his eligibility, can never play for CU again - gets to complete his degree at CU on scholarship.
Redshirt junior, after the same length of time, still has eligibility - but somehow is not longer entitled to attend CU on scholarship.
WTF???