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Bench Montez (9-14 edition)

TSchekler said:
There were plenty of opportunities under MM to get back up QBs meaningful reps; they just refused to do it, playing all starters until a few minutes left in blowout games.

It also doesn't need to be garbage time to get back up players game reps. After we went up 10-0 against AFA, we went about 3 full quarters without scoring a point. Pretty sure Lytle could have led us to 0 points during that stretch as well. This notion that the starters must play every snap of the game until it's out of hand is dumb, but too often bought into by coaching staffs.
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A number of college coaches have made it a part of their game plan to use the back up QB for a designated series each half (sometimes first possession of the second and fourth quarters, sometimes for example the 4th possession of each half) with a series of plays planned for them.

Gives the backup experience with the starters and against a starting defense, lets the other starters be comfortable with the backup QB as well.

Huge advantage of this is that if the starter gets hurt or otherwise can't play the transition to the backup is almost seamless.

I'd love to see us do something similar here.
 
MtnBuff said:
A number of college coaches have made it a part of their game plan to use the back up QB for a designated series each half (sometimes first possession of the second and fourth quarters, sometimes for example the 4th possession of each half) with a series of plays planned for them.

Gives the backup experience with the starters and against a starting defense, lets the other starters be comfortable with the backup QB as well.

Huge advantage of this is that if the starter gets hurt or otherwise can't play the transition to the backup is almost seamless.

I'd love to see us do something similar here.
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The hated Tom Osbourne did that with his entire second string "O"! They all pulled a series or two in the second and third quarters. Gives everybody a taste of real PT and often whets the Twos' appetite for more! Plus, helps to be in re-loading rather than re-building mode every year! (Once,at a Buff luncheon, I asked Mac about that and he said the upperclassmen deserved all the PT, as they earned it!)
 
Would sitting Montez also be a wakeup call?

"Hey, if this guy is adequate and you keep giving us 1st half NU Montez or 1-3 Q AFA Montez, we'll just go with the other guy."

Some people just play better than they practice. We'll never know if we have one of those.
 
What would have been the harm in pulling Montez out for a series or two to receive more coaching on the sideline regarding reads, checks, adjustments, etc. and having Lytle go run the offense for a couple series?

Worst case, a couple 3 and outs. Best case, you find out you have a new QB1. Unless the staff is that afraid of a turnover. Thoughts?
 
SKOBIZZLE said:
What would have been the harm in pulling Montez out for a series or two to receive more coaching on the sideline regarding reads, checks, adjustments, etc. and having Lytle go run the offense for a couple series?

Worst case, a couple 3 and outs. Best case, you find out you have a new QB1. Unless the staff is that afraid of a turnover. Thoughts?
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It would never be a situation where you automatically see a new QB1, but you would definitely see if you can continue giving more reps to the other guy going forward to promote competition and depth.
 
Air Raid “system” QBs starting in the NFL this week:

Kyler Murray
Gardner Minshew
Luke Falk
Baker Mayfield
Patrick Mahomes
Jared Goff
Mason Rudolph
Case Keemun
Kyle Allen (If Newton can’t play)

9 air raid QBs!
Is Montez better than any of these?
 
hawg1 said:
Air Raid “system” QBs starting in the NFL this week:

Kyler Murray
Gardner Minshew
Luke Falk
Baker Mayfield
Patrick Mahomes
Jared Goff
Mason Rudolph
Case Keemun
Kyle Allen (If Newton can’t play)

9 air raid QBs!
Is Montez better than any of these?
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No.
 
OUBuff said:
Problem is that these tendencies aren't restricted to draft sites. The opposing coaches know this too, making it easy to give him a pre-snap read and take it away after the snap.

Perhaps that is the coaching method for Montez. Have him pick a primary and secondary pre-snap... his secondary becomes his first read.

"If he knows that I know that I know that he knows, then..." :ROFLMAO:
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Which is exactly what it sounds like ASU is going to do if you listen to our and their press conferences this week.
 
Da Lama said:
Family member? Geez...
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He apparently made some serious noise this fall. No Montez isn't getting benched but it was good to hear someone making strides after a couple years of us hoping Lytle would push for playing time.
 
Rob DeVere said:
He was co-starter with McCaffery, because the Valor HC at that time, had to keep his top HS recruiter (now their HC) happy!
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If Stenstrom was good enough, McCaffrey wouldn't have gotten reps at QB. They would have found plenty of other ways to get him the ball. He wasn't. Film don't lie. Stenstrom is a decent QB and likely has progressed, but he probably isn't the answer going forward.
 
Da Lama said:
If Stenstrom was good enough, McCaffrey wouldn't have gotten reps at QB. They would have found plenty of other ways to get him the ball. He wasn't. Film don't lie. Stenstrom is a decent QB and likely has progressed, but he probably isn't the answer going forward.
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Not necessarily.

McCaffrey wanted to play QB, his dad wanted him to play QB. He ended up getting a P5 scholarship as a QB (granted to kNU)

No way that Valor was going to go against Ed who is now their coach and who has been instrumental for years in "contacting" prospective players and insuring that the program was successful at a high level.
 
MtnBuff said:
Not necessarily.

McCaffrey wanted to play QB, his dad wanted him to play QB. He ended up getting a P5 scholarship as a QB (granted to kNU)

No way that Valor was going to go against Ed who is now their coach and who has been instrumental for years in "contacting" prospective players and insuring that the program was successful at a high level.
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Agreed...there is no way that baby Mac was going to sit the bench with big Daddy in the stands. And now...look who the coach is? Lol. He runs the Valor football program...period and end of story. The fact that Stenstrom started...and played significant minutes is a tribute to his capabilities. For a guy to leapfrog Slinging Sam...and be in a virtual tie with Lytle with NO spring ball..and a new coaching staff is impressive.
 
MtnBuff said:
Not necessarily.

McCaffrey wanted to play QB, his dad wanted him to play QB. He ended up getting a P5 scholarship as a QB (granted to kNU)

No way that Valor was going to go against Ed who is now their coach and who has been instrumental for years in "contacting" prospective players and insuring that the program was successful at a high level.
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That’s HS football and in the immortal words of the Hawk, “This is Division 1 football!!”.

If Stenstrom is behind Montez and Lytle there is a reason (or reasons), and Ed McCaffrey is not that reason. If he was better than Lytle or Montez he wouldn’t be 3rd on the depth chart unless you think our coaches are stupid.
 
SDB said:
Agreed...there is no way that baby Mac was going to sit the bench with big Daddy in the stands. And now...look who the coach is? Lol. He runs the Valor football program...period and end of story. The fact that Stenstrom started...and played significant minutes is a tribute to his capabilities. For a guy to leapfrog Slinging Sam...and be in a virtual tie with Lytle with NO spring ball..and a new coaching staff is impressive.
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I fully agree with your post. If the Buffs signed Baby Mac, there would have been expectations from everywhere that he starts, and gets PT no matter what. Fans and daddy would be penciling him in to play this weekend. MT does not need that drama. CU played the game signing big name QB's: Adam Bledsoe (not anything like Drew) and Koy Detmer, one worked out, the other did not. Koy was a great CU QB and NFL backup, but he did not light things on fire in college football like his brother Ty Detmer. Maybe the knee injury had something to do with that. If Baby Mac did not quickly progress up the depth chart, it would be transfer portal. Also, the other guys may have entered the portal.

I will be interested to see what CU's backups bring to the table AND who Tucker recruits. Perhaps, CU obtains a highly recruited dual threat QB and keys off of that. Stenstrom and Lytle ("S&L) are intriguing--they have good size and plus arm strength. Lytle has a quicker release. As an example of how CU has upped their overall talent-- before Montez/Noyer, when Sefo was QB, the backups were 5-6" shorter than Sefo. It was a stark contrast when you same him next to his backups. They did not even look like P5 QBs. S&L (and Noyer, as well) are as tall as Montez and filling out.

I am real excited to see Noyer play some reps at Safety. I like Rackstraw as well. He deserved the promotion, as he has been progressing well. Just being a QB, Noyer might bring so much anticipation, read the right adjustments, intangibles back there... Obviously, Onu is the leader for this season. I think Noyer's talent or lack thereof will show quickly-- he will either be fast enough and have a nose for the football, or he will not have the quicks or speed. If he has quicks/speed, given his size; he could turn out to be awesome back there. Maybe not for this season, but certainly for next.
 
SINKRATZ said:
That’s HS football and in the immortal words of the Hawk, “This is Division 1 football!!”.

If Stenstrom is behind Montez and Lytle there is a reason (or reasons), and Ed McCaffrey is not that reason. If he was better than Lytle or Montez he wouldn’t be 3rd on the depth chart unless you think our coaches are stupid.
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Not questioning that in any way. The coaches are the ones who see the players in practice every day, they are the ones in the film room and the meeting rooms.

What I am stating is the fact that Stenstrom wasn't a full time starter at Valor is not necessarily because he wasn't that good a QB.

Lytle was a fairly highly recruited QB out of hs and I have heard good reports on him in Boulder, it isn't a shock if he is currently the #2.

The fact that Stenstrom as a RS-Fr. is on his heels for that #2 job in his second year in the program and that the coaches felt good enough about Lytle and Stenstrom to move a more experienced back up QB with game experience to defense says a lot in the positive about both.
 
MtnBuff said:
Not questioning that in any way. The coaches are the ones who see the players in practice every day, they are the ones in the film room and the meeting rooms.

What I am stating is the fact that Stenstrom wasn't a full time starter at Valor is not necessarily because he wasn't that good a QB.

Lytle was a fairly highly recruited QB out of hs and I have heard good reports on him in Boulder, it isn't a shock if he is currently the #2.

The fact that Stenstrom as a RS-Fr. is on his heels for that #2 job in his second year in the program and that the coaches felt good enough about Lytle and Stenstrom to move a more experienced back up QB with game experience to defense says a lot in the positive about both.
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Meh. That move says more about Noyer as a RS-JR than anything.
 
Duff Man said:
Meh. That move says more about Noyer as a RS-JR than anything.
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Says both.
Agree that the prospect of counting on Noyer should Montez get hurt wasn't comforting but he was an experienced QB. Moving him says that the coaches see the young guys as better options even with playing time.
 
MtnBuff said:
Says both.
Agree that the prospect of counting on Noyer should Montez get hurt wasn't comforting but he was an experienced QB. Moving him says that the coaches see the young guys as better options even with playing time.
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Agreed and perhaps they saw the safety change as a great use of Noyer's talents. I'm glad Noyer stayed with the Buffs. I think it really shows good will, when the staff does not run kids off, rather they have ample opportunity to stay and complete there college degree.
 
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