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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

Denver_sc said:
Dude- CSU is somewhere between UNM and UNLV. How embarrassed would you be if either of those programs joined the PAC? That’s how you should feel about CSU.
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Sure. But we gotta start somewhere. Im not sure we should let them in but I’d not be opposed if we did. And remember someone let the less prestigious Oregon school in the conference way back when…

One point of contention: UO in Eugene likes to lay claim to being the state's "flagship institution." That doesn't sit well with some OSU folks in Corvallis, who note OSU brings in more than twice as much research funding as UO.

The dispute stems from the nature of the two universities.

UO is the classical arts and science institution with a focus on the humanities, social sciences and science, Lariviere says.

OSU is a land-grant university [but] What sets OSU apart is its more than $250 million in research funding in 2008-09. It was No. 87 in the nation for research funding in 2006, according to the National Science Foundation. UO came in at No. 157.

Still, UO outranks OSU on the annual U.S. News & World Report rankings and has the edge on some other measures, such as fund-raising and (humanities) graduation rate.

OSU is known for its marine science, agriculture, engineering and geoscience programs, among others. UO's distinguishing programs include natural sciences, architecture, business and education.

www.oregonlive.com

UO vs. OSU: Who wins the academic Civil War?

The Ducks-Beavers rivalry extends to academics, but the two institutions collaborate more than they compete.
www.oregonlive.com www.oregonlive.com


Its an amusing pairing. My daughter liked UO but the lack of an engineering program was a bit of a turnoff.
 
skibum said:
Aren't state lawmakers throwing up roadblocks to UW and UO leaving the "other state school" behind in any conference moves?

And didn't the B1G just have all kinds of annoying uncertainty and now a goofy revenue sharing deal for one of their members because the local lawmakers got their panties in a wad about the other state school getting left behind?

In a once burned, twice shy kind of a way, I could see the B1G prefering to avoid that nonsense for now, and, if they leave them out now, they'll be cheaper to get later once the politicians have ****ed around and found out what the alternative actually is.
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I wish the legislators would do more of this. It would be better for all of us if there were 5 of 6 smaller conferences, TV being forced to spread that money around, and Fox and ESPN having less power,
 
https://www.pacifictakes.com/2020/5...washington-usc-ucla-colorado-arizona-stanford

1. Oregon — 102.79%

2. Utah — 101.18%

3. Washington — 94.85%

4. Washington State — 92.67%

5. Colorado — 91.04%

6. Stanford — 86.53%

7. USC — 85.50%

8. Arizona — 84.73%

9. Oregon State — 81.61%

10. Arizona State — 77.67%

11. UCLA — 70.80%

12. Cal — 69.57%

you'd like to see USC and Furd do better for sure, granted the Clay Helton years were probably pretty damaging, but there's 800,000 people stuck in traffic right around the stadium so somebody could wander in the doors

Wazzu and CU putting in work I'd say, at least on a % basis

UW, Utah, and Oregon putting in work too

Arizona and Oregon St ehh but I get it

but damn ASU, UCLA, and Cal? CMON MAN, especially ASU I mean that school has 900,000 students at any one time going to it, there aint **** else to do in Arizona, there's probably a bunch of future pornstar girls at the games, how you not gonna fill that thing. Somewhat in UCLA's defense, the stadium is oddly far away from the actual campus, literally the distance of CU to Denver, but in a city of 300 million people you'd think a few more people would make the epic journey

but that's all to say mostly the stadiums aren't even massive sizes. CU and Oregon do solid, but have stadiums in the low to high 50,000 seats range. MFing Iowa has a 70,000 seat stadium and mostly fills it. How many people live in Iowa? Like 72,000 people? They're all there every saturday
 
Tatanka™ said:
Crusty sock for a couple.
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Frustrated Clint Eastwood GIF
 
White_Rabbit said:
https://www.pacifictakes.com/2020/5...washington-usc-ucla-colorado-arizona-stanford

1. Oregon — 102.79%

2. Utah — 101.18%

3. Washington — 94.85%

4. Washington State — 92.67%

5. Colorado — 91.04%

6. Stanford — 86.53%

7. USC — 85.50%

8. Arizona — 84.73%

9. Oregon State — 81.61%

10. Arizona State — 77.67%

11. UCLA — 70.80%

12. Cal — 69.57%

you'd like to see USC and Furd do better for sure, granted the Clay Helton years were probably pretty damaging, but there's 800,000 people stuck in traffic right around the stadium so somebody could wander in the doors

Wazzu and CU putting in work I'd say, at least on a % basis

UW, Utah, and Oregon putting in work too

Arizona and Oregon St ehh but I get it

but damn ASU, UCLA, and Cal? CMON MAN, especially ASU I mean that school has 900,000 students at any one time going to it, there aint **** else to do in Arizona, there's probably a bunch of future pornstar girls at the games, how you not gonna fill that thing. Somewhat in UCLA's defense, the stadium is oddly far away from the actual campus, literally the distance of CU to Denver, but in a city of 300 million people you'd think a few more people would make the epic journey

but that's all to say mostly the stadiums aren't even massive sizes. CU and Oregon do solid, but have stadiums in the low to high 50,000 seats range. MFing Iowa has a 70,000 seat stadium and mostly fills it. How many people live in Iowa? Like 72,000 people? They're all there every saturday
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The fact that Colorado has such solid attendance with a garbage product should be a positive.
 
Uncle Ken said:
You make a fair point, but for me it's mostly a brand thing (even though I brought up road trips).

Big 12 (or SEC for that matter, but I acknowledge the money aspect and that I'm in a minority there) are not brands that I would want our school to be associated with. Really, to my way of thinking, Pac is the best brand for us, regardless of how poorly that's been working out for the last decade. I know that the Pac brand doesn't land for you, and that's fine. But even as an ACC and SEC fan, would you want CU to be associated with the current iteration of the Big 12?
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I don't care what schools from an academic standpoint that we share an athletic conference with or that it really matters. CU is a very good school academically and always will be regardless of which schools we share an athletic conference with. All those years in the Big 8/12 worked out fine for us in the past and it would again.
 
CarolinaBuff said:
I don't care what schools from an academic standpoint that we share an athletic conference with or that it really matters. CU is a very good school academically and always will be regardless of which schools we share an athletic conference with. All those years in the Big 8/12 worked out fine for us in the past and it would again.
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I'm with you on this. I don't care about academic association in the slightest when talking about football. However, the thing I don't like about being associated with the 2024 Big 12 is that there aren't any good football brands. Cincinnati, BYU and Oklahoma State are the premier brands at this point and none of them actually have any real national appeal.

CU beating Oklahoma State on ESPN2 is kind of ho hum on a national level. CU beating Oregon on FOX or ABC is big time.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I'm with you on this. I don't care about academic association in the slightest when talking about football. However, the thing I don't like about being associated with the 2024 Big 12 is that there aren't any good football brands. Cincinnati, BYU and Oklahoma State are the premier brands at this point and none of them actually have any real national appeal.

CU beating Oklahoma State on ESPN2 is kind of ho hum on a national level. CU beating Oregon on FOX or ABC is big time.
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This is what I'm trying to say about the Big 12.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I'm with you on this. I don't care about academic association in the slightest when talking about football. However, the thing I don't like about being associated with the 2024 Big 12 is that there aren't any good football brands. Cincinnati, BYU and Oklahoma State are the premier brands at this point and none of them actually have any real national appeal.

CU beating Oklahoma State on ESPN2 is kind of ho hum on a national level. CU beating Oregon on FOX or ABC is big time.
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What about CU beating Oregon St on Apple?
 
I don't think fans should care much about the academic side. It's just something that needs to be acknowledged as the core mission of the university which will take precedence over putting on the best possible season of games when university presidents make decisions.
 
InTheBuff said:
What about CU beating Oregon St on Apple?
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Kind of the same as Wisconsin beating Rutgers on the B1G Network. The only people watching that game are Wisconsin and Rutgers fans, just like the only people watching Colorado vs Oregon State are Colorado and Oregon State fans. The point is, staying with the bigger football brands is key because that's what attracts eyeballs.

We don't know what the streaming viewership for a tier 1 pac 12 game would be like Oregon vs Washington, but I think there's a good bet to be made that it's going to have better ratings/viewership than the Big 12's tier 1 matchup of Cincinnati vs Oklahoma State that's almost assuredly relegated to FS1 or ESPN2.

The thing people forget is that ESPN is all in on the SEC with ACC and Big 12 content as second and third priority. So, come 2024, ESPN is going to have Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, aTm, Oklahoma, and Texas to feature on ABC and ESPN every single week. Next in the pecking order is going to be Clemson, FSU, Miami and UNC, not to mention Virginia Tech, Virginia, and Pitt. Once all those options are exhausted, ESPN/ABC will look to the Big 12.

Big 12 will also have Fox, but which matchup from the Big 12 is going to out rank Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, USC, and UCLA?

The Big 12 is going to have pretty much every one of their games on ESPN2, ESPNU (maybe?), FS1, or ESPN+ (streaming). Is that really significantly better than Apple TV, Amazon, and a few select ESPN spots?
 
Buffnik said:
I don't think fans should care much about the academic side. It's just something that needs to be acknowledged as the core mission of the university which will take precedence over putting on the best possible season of games when university presidents make decisions.
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I care very much about the academic side. But I don't think athletic conference association has much to do with that. Is there any tangible effect to CU's academic standing (ie. research funds) as a member of the PAC-12 other than image? If it's image only, then I don't think academics should come in to play at all.

With that said, the B12 isn't attractive to me as a fan at all. If it's strictly a near-term money play, then ok (blech). Secretly hoping for other more palatable options.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Kind of the same as Wisconsin beating Rutgers on the B1G Network. The only people watching that game are Wisconsin and Rutgers fans, just like the only people watching Colorado vs Oregon State are Colorado and Oregon State fans. The point is, staying with the bigger football brands is key because that's what attracts eyeballs.

We don't know what the streaming viewership for a tier 1 pac 12 game would be like Oregon vs Washington, but I think there's a good bet to be made that it's going to have better ratings/viewership than the Big 12's tier 1 matchup of Cincinnati vs Oklahoma State that's almost assuredly relegated to FS1 or ESPN2.

The thing people forget is that ESPN is all in on the SEC with ACC and Big 12 content as second and third priority. So, come 2024, ESPN is going to have Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, aTm, Oklahoma, and Texas to feature on ABC and ESPN every single week. Next in the pecking order is going to be Clemson, FSU, Miami and UNC, not to mention Virginia Tech, Virginia, and Pitt. Once all those options are exhausted, ESPN/ABC will look to the Big 12.

Big 12 will also have Fox, but which matchup from the Big 12 is going to out rank Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, USC, and UCLA?

The Big 12 is going to have pretty much every one of their games on ESPN2, ESPNU (maybe?), FS1, or ESPN+ (streaming). Is that really significantly better than Apple TV, Amazon, and a few select ESPN spots?
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I have my doubts on Apple.
Amazon, though not my favorite, is better at least when it comes to subscribers.
 
Buffnik said:
Just looked it up. Cal Memorial Stadium seats 63k. No home game drew 40k except the Stanford crosstown rivalry game at 51k.

Stanford Stadium seats 50.4k and its best draw was the USC rivalry game at 43k. Next best was OSU for 32k. All others at 25-27k.

Ouch.
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Did you see the picture’s from the ASU game? I don’t know what the ‘official’ count was but there were less than 1,000 people at the game.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Kind of the same as Wisconsin beating Rutgers on the B1G Network. The only people watching that game are Wisconsin and Rutgers fans, just like the only people watching Colorado vs Oregon State are Colorado and Oregon State fans. The point is, staying with the bigger football brands is key because that's what attracts eyeballs.

We don't know what the streaming viewership for a tier 1 pac 12 game would be like Oregon vs Washington, but I think there's a good bet to be made that it's going to have better ratings/viewership than the Big 12's tier 1 matchup of Cincinnati vs Oklahoma State that's almost assuredly relegated to FS1 or ESPN2.

The thing people forget is that ESPN is all in on the SEC with ACC and Big 12 content as second and third priority. So, come 2024, ESPN is going to have Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, aTm, Oklahoma, and Texas to feature on ABC and ESPN every single week. Next in the pecking order is going to be Clemson, FSU, Miami and UNC, not to mention Virginia Tech, Virginia, and Pitt. Once all those options are exhausted, ESPN/ABC will look to the Big 12.

Big 12 will also have Fox, but which matchup from the Big 12 is going to out rank Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, USC, and UCLA?

The Big 12 is going to have pretty much every one of their games on ESPN2, ESPNU (maybe?), FS1, or ESPN+ (streaming). Is that really significantly better than Apple TV, Amazon, and a few select ESPN spots?
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The priority is an interesting point. A lot of B12 fans are crowing about their $31M per year deal (which they all thought would be $45M bc of misinformation but whatever). But what happens at the end of their deal? Do they have any guarantees they can stay at that amount? No, not at all. I wouldn’t be surprised if their deal size keeps shrinking bc as we’re all saying, no one will watch those games once they’re relegated to ESPN+.
 
i would think home attendance is not a major factor in valuation-- it is about households and eyeballs. we would be a big big PLUS for the truck stop 12. ... not as big as Oregon or washington but in the tier they appear to be chasing (the 4 corners).

i am still hoping for something other than the truck stop 12 but whatever happens, happens. winning will cure all.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
What are your thoughts on the Big 12 almost assuredly being relegated to secondary network channels that don't put out good ratings or streaming on ESPN+?
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I'm not thrilled with any of this.
I guess I just an not an Apple believer.
Have them prove me wrong.

I'm still curious about the rumors of unequal revenue sharing. Time will tell....maybe
 
Probably not directly applicable to this thread, but a ticker item running below the Buff- Washington bball game (GO BUFFS!) says UCLA has signed Chip Kelly to an extension through 2027.
 
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